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[Torak]

Don't you think your animosity towards the wealthy is misplaced? The wealthy aren't inherently bad, and it is the wealthy people that pay your salary.

No, it's business owners who pay you. I have worked for hard-working men who had to climb their way to where they are, people who buy gold plated dolphin statues and fish in the Caribbean with kitten bait. I have not worked for any 'bad' wealthy people, because I have not worked for wealthy people at all.

[puke]

Truth, my pinko friends, is stranger than fiction.  Never underestimate the depths to which the average human is willing to dive:

"Nov 1 1994
A group of South Korean cannibals known as the Chijon Family are sentenced to death for murdering and eating five people. The group was founded in 1993 by ex-convict Kim Ki Hwan and several other prisoners, in solidarity against the wealthy. Eat the rich."

[mainiac]

it is the wealthy people that pay your salary.

No, it's business owners who pay you.

Looks to me like there's some disagreement on what constitutes wealthy.  I think Torak is right in that there's lots of small business owners out there who are scraping by.  On the other hand, while the small operators are more numerous, the typical person is more likely to be employed by someone who's doing more then scraping by.

Also, I'd like to express confusion with the notion that the wealthy paying people rationalizes the existence of wealth.  The wealthy pay the working slobs, but without the working slobs, how wealthy would they be?

[Gunner-Chan]

You know, I read this topic as "Eat the Reich, I have their mammarys" and I was going to ask what the hell that was supposed to mean...

I sure feel stupid.

[PTTG??]

Speaking of revolutions:

The Revolution WILL be televised.... and probably made into at least a
 half dozen reality shows.... "Dancing with the Militiamen"  "Survivor
 Detroit"  "Big Brother form San Quentin" "Trading Wives....for ammo
 and food".

Sometimes there are good things in the Google Financial Chat.

[mainiac]

Sigh looks like TV is still gonna be run by the corporate oligarchy...

[Duke 2.0]

 I'm generally opposed to this stuff because a good number of those people did something amazing and worked hard. It would be a stupidly horrendous crime to steal from them so people not as smart or as hard-working could get the results of their work.

 Of course, the key here is the people who deserved it. I'm sure most people don't deserve their riches as they were just handed money for being lucky enough to be born to rich parents. A full scale arson war on Hollywood is not outside my sensibilities.

 Of course, we can't force a government to be made based around how much work has been done. No, don't look at me like that with those ideas. I'm staying over here with my friend Capitalism. However, some aspects do need to be tweaked. What those are is iffy, only because even small issues cause massive riots by extreme people with extreme opinions. Normally we would ignore the idiots and that would be that, but those idiots hold enough power to cause difficulties with the law of whatever land they live in.

[Cthulhu]

Haven't there been enough examples of Communist systems in the past to make us realize that mankind will never allow themselves to be put under it?  The carrot is a better motivator than the stick.

[Duke 2.0]

Haven't there been enough examples of Communist systems in the past to make us realize that mankind will never allow themselves to be put under it?  The carrot is a better motivator than the stick.

Start with a democracy and slowly take away their rights 'till they might as well be under a Communist system?

[DJ]

It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sure that Nusret thanks God each and every day for this great job.

[puke]

what does an egalitarian economic system have to do with motivating people with sticks?  historically, people are in the business of throwing off monarchies in favor of communism.  which is really the ultimate expression of democracy, when you think about it.

but im glad were not sacrificing idealism in exchange for tawdry things like education.

[mainiac]

Haven't there been enough examples of Communist systems in the past to make us realize that mankind will never allow themselves to be put under it?  The carrot is a better motivator than the stick.

Modern communism has only ever been tried in well, rather backwards situations.  For example the Soviet Union was a shithole, but so was the Russian Empire that preceded it.  There are numerous examples of communities in less dire situations which adopted communist attitudes.  For instance, in early Christianity, many communist towns were formed.  Numerous American communes experimented with communism in the early 1800's.  There's the intriguing example of Catalonia in 1936.

Personally, I don't want to see communism anytime soon.  But the notion that soviet style revolutionary communism is the only type possible seems rather silly to me.  Communes survive much better when they're voluntary.

[Electronic Phantom]

Communes survive much better when they're voluntary.

And I read this as "Communes survive much better when they're volatile.

>.>

That being said, I don't want to see communism anytime soon either, but I'm afraid that closing my eyes to what is going on is a rather stupid course to achieve that end.

-(e)EP

[mainiac]

Communes survive much better when they're voluntary.

And I read this as "Communes survive much better when they're volatile.

>.>

That being said, I don't want to see communism anytime soon either, but I'm afraid that closing my eyes to what is going on is a rather stupid course to achieve that end.

-(e)EP

Well, I recommend closing your eyes briefly about once every two seconds.  But that's just my opinion.

[Boksi]

I'm a social democrat. In my opinion, instead of having a bunch of poor people and some middle-class people supporting the wealthy elite, we should have a glom of middle-class people with some wealthy people that actually put in some extra effort.

Or were just born into a rich family, the bastards. C'est la vie, isn't it?

Basically, everyone should be able to get by, but only just so. If you want some quality of life, work harder. But it always gets harder as you go up.

But no people starving. No people denied education. Not a perfect system, of course, but better than the current system, constantly driving a bigger wedge between the rich and the poor.