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[Markus]

Eh, to add to the beggars bazooka stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIN7xplArM&feature=player_embedded

[Hiiri]

Are there only the 3 MvM maps?

3 MvM maps with 3 different missions each, yes.

[Techhead]

Eh, to add to the beggars bazooka stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIN7xplArM&feature=player_embedded

That's beautiful. Wow.

[Knirisk]

Eh, to add to the beggars bazooka stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIN7xplArM&feature=player_embedded

That's beautiful. Wow.

Never have I wanted the Gunboats so badly.

[Elu]

Never have I wanted the Gunboats so badly.

Really? i will give you them

[Repulsion]

Never have I wanted the Beggar's Bazooka so badly.

[mainiac]

I'm pretty sure that video was about 20% skill and awesome and 80% going up against incompetent opposition.  There were a lot of empty spots on that map that should have had enemies or sentries in them, making me think someone was playing on nearly empty servers or against really green opponents.

[miauw62]

Its the general skill level of pubs.
And ugh, i'm feeling nooby with pyro. I cant seem to break the skill ceiling anymore.

[Knirisk]

I'm pretty sure that video was about 20% skill and awesome and 80% going up against incompetent opposition.  There were a lot of empty spots on that map that should have had enemies or sentries in them, making me think someone was playing on nearly empty servers or against really green opponents.

It still looks like hella amounts of fun, coming from a guy who plays quite a bit of enjoyable Demoknight.

[The Scout]

The fact it instantly kills almost anyone is a nice, along with the fact it's still somewhat accurate.

[Enzo]

So, I just played my first pub MvM match. Unsurprisingly, with a good team of people I know Mann Up is a cakewalk, with a bunch of random people who don't know what they're doing the easiest mission is a total gongshow. Never again. Playing on a team of fools is 1000% more frustrating than PvP, because you can't even do well on your own, it's just win or lose. If anyone around NA West wants to play some MvM let me know, or add me to Steam. We need to organize some B12 teams. I'm down for Mann Up too, if anyone is interested in that.

[miauw62]

I just want a good ol normal game in a vanilla rotation. I always end up playing with bots.


But sure, whats your steam name? Mine is simply Miauw, avatar is the same as here on the forums.


EDIT:

TF2 logic.

[Zangi]

So, I just played my first pub MvM match. Unsurprisingly, with a good team of people I know Mann Up is a cakewalk, with a bunch of random people who don't know what they're doing the easiest mission is a total gongshow. Never again. Playing on a team of fools is 1000% more frustrating than PvP, because you can't even do well on your own, it's just win or lose. If anyone around NA West wants to play some MvM let me know, or add me to Steam. We need to organize some B12 teams. I'm down for Mann Up too, if anyone is interested in that.

If I may suggest... if L4D2 is any indication... You do not want to play Easy or Normal mode co-op with PUGs, ever.  Especially when it still requires cooperation.  Advanced/Expert, you will actually get people that are in those skill levels... most of the time anyways.  Still, you gotta be at that skill level yourself too...

[Thexor]

So, I just played my first pub MvM match. Unsurprisingly, with a good team of people I know Mann Up is a cakewalk, with a bunch of random people who don't know what they're doing the easiest mission is a total gongshow. Never again. Playing on a team of fools is 1000% more frustrating than PvP, because you can't even do well on your own, it's just win or lose. If anyone around NA West wants to play some MvM let me know, or add me to Steam. We need to organize some B12 teams. I'm down for Mann Up too, if anyone is interested in that.

If I may suggest... if L4D2 is any indication... You do not want to play Easy or Normal mode co-op with PUGs, ever.  Especially when it still requires cooperation.  Advanced/Expert, you will actually get people that are in those skill levels... most of the time anyways.  Still, you gotta be at that skill level yourself too...

Sadly, not entirely. Most pubs simply click the "any mission" button, which means there's every chance they'll be thrown into Advanced missions.

The best teams are in Mann Up mode, which features both a higher level of difficulty and a cash entry fee... but that gets expensive, fast.

[Enzo]

Yeah, pretty much.

I know I said never again, but I joined a pub MvM tonight, normal difficulty Coaltown with fairly balanced looking classes and they just lost wave after wave.
Got a group of friends together and played the same mission, 5 soldiers 1 engie. Completely destroyed, never came close to losing a wave. One rocket jumper solly, even. With many of the same people I beat an advanced mission with a team including 3 demoknights a night or two before. Played 3 Mann Up matches, probably lost 2 waves between all of them.

Basically, random-team MvMs are infinitely frustrating. With a good team it's a joke. I'm not sure how I feel about this revelation.