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[DJ]

20 pyros airblasting, remember.

And depending on openness of the map, 20 soldiers could give them a run for their money. Especially if they combo banners.

[Sonlirain]

The rake seems usefull for medics to get their Uber charged since loading it slows down once they fully overheal someone.
And since the pyro is healed slower than the rest he will last a bit more before the medic has t look for somoene else to heal.
Beseides it's kickass for Melee servers i guess.

The volcano fragment is pretty much useless unless on a melee only server and teamed up with another pyro (you have a freaking flamethrower so why whack them with a blunt axe?).

The axtinguisher/mailbox is the most basic weapon for a pyro ever (for obvious reasons)

[Cecilff2]

20 pyros airblasting, remember.

All trying to airblast at the same time.  But their cooldowns will eventually make them vulnerable.  Grenades tend to not come in easy predictable waves when you have a bunch of different players, but you'll always have to time the airblast correctly, leaving you wide open to the multitude of other pills before your airblast is ready again(And the splash damage is killing everyone).

Sollies have it even worse.  Either they waste rockets trying to move stickies out of the way, or they funnel together in such a way that one crit will kill the majority of them.  Their low mobility means they have to rocket jump to avoid the initial incoming stickies so an airburst sticky or 2'll likely take em out.

[Putnam]

The cooldown time for airblasts may be slightly more than with pills, but you don't have to reload airblast. Plus, you can airblast more than one at a time.

[Duke 2.0]

 Demomen will eventually just stickytrap the spawn over and over again. Although a heavy with uber and crits would melt them away enough for other classes to get a foothold.

[DJ]

I did say an open map. Stickies aren't much use if you're dead before you can detonate them.

[Cecilff2]

I did say an open map. Stickies aren't much use if you're dead before you can detonate them.

If you can't dodge rockets in a wide open map, you've got more issues than I can help you with.

[DJ]

They're kinda hard to dodge when they're raining from all directions.

[Cecilff2]

They're kinda hard to dodge when they're raining from all directions.

Then the demos aren't doing their job right.  If they're allowing the soldiers to spread out and cause that much damage, they are terrible demos.

[MaximumZero]

"What makes me a good Demoman? If I were a bad demoman, I wouldn't be sittin' here, discussin' it with you now would I?"

[Enzo]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwEkgfMQ4s

That is all.

[PTTG??]

The grenade, the grenade is his inspiration! Can't you appreciate literature, you unsophisticated hack?!

[The Scout]

To the demoman debate. Any soldier worth his weight in grenades can easily kill several demomen. Get one or two with the direct hit, and some backup soldiers spamming with banners, and you've got a pretty good hard counter.

A soldier is a hard counter to everything if he can rocket jump. Jumping from wall to wall raining down rockets.

[miauw62]

Got annoyed in a server a few days ago, due to some people saying that heavy and engie are horrible, useless and overpowered classes.

Was a fun game tough, it was turbine and we got the great idea of all becoming gunslinger engies camping one of the enemy exits

[DJ]

They're kinda hard to dodge when they're raining from all directions.

Then the demos aren't doing their job right.  If they're allowing the soldiers to spread out and cause that much damage, they are terrible demos.

How do you stop rocket jumping soldiers from spreading out?