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[Bdthemag]

The new players will eventually get better, unless they're alot stupider then I think they are.

[ToonyMan]

I'm actually getting pissed off at people bitching about any amount of new players trying out TF2.  They're just playing the game since it's available to them now for free.  I know I would want to play it to see if I enjoyed it.  They don't choose to go on your team specifically that's just your damn imagination and the 'new' way to blame people for your inability to cope with loss.  If I really had a problem playing with this "huge influx" of new people I would just lay low for a week and cool the fuck down.

[Greiger]

At least partially thanks to them the Bay12 server is the busiest I've seen in some time.  I'm not complaining about them.

[Bdthemag]

I'm actually getting pissed off at people bitching about any amount of new players trying out TF2.  They're just playing the game since it's available to them now for free.  I know I would want to play it to see if I enjoyed it.  They don't choose to go on your team specifically that's just your damn imagination and the 'new' way to blame people for your inability to cope with loss.  If I really had a problem playing with this "huge influx" of new people I would just lay low for a week and cool the fuck down.

Theres a difference between new people, and the extremely stupid new people. Im sure they're mainly talking about the ones that go "hurp derp who needs a tutorial?" and go around acting like a generally dumbass.

[Patchouli]

I am so bad at this game.

I score low even against bots.

[mr. macduggan]

Ok, so I have an extra liberty launcher and I'm looking for either a tomislav or a persian pursuader. If you have a detonator, I'll also think about that. materials for making a pursuader are also welcome.

[Patchouli]

I have a Persian Persuader. I don't really use Demoman, so I'm up for trading it. I've never traded, but it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out.

[breadbocks]

I'm still waiting on Engies to get a massive update again.

[Bdthemag]

I'm still waiting on Engies to get a massive update again.

Have fun waiting for that.

[Shadowlord]

See, the problem with the cancer that is killing /b/ TF2 is that they are on your team. I've played a dozen rounds where I got fucked over by newfags only playing spy, soldier, and heavy. All of which are completely useless without support.

Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not. As for soldiers, with a Direct Hit you can gib almost everyone you meet from the enemy team as long as they don't get close enough to cut your head off with a half-zatoichi (Reaching melee tends to be fatal, especially if you keep using the Direct Hit). The only other thing that'll stop you will be coming up against an equally powerful enemy backed by a medic, when you don't have one, or a level 3 turret (A demoman, a clever engineer with a wrangler (depending on the placement of the enemy turret), or a regular rocket launcher would work better against a level 3 turret unless you can shoot it from outside its range).

Of course, said newbies would have to acquire a Direct Hit and super fast aiming skills to do that. I was doing it yesterday, but I've played for a couple years on and off.

[mr. macduggan]

Never mind about the pursuader, I got myself one. It's so bad, but so good... 

[Metalax]

Virtually anyone playing spy isn't contributing as effectively to the team as they could be if they were playing another class, whether they're new or not.

I'd have to say I disagree with that. There are many times when playing as a spy can be vastly more effective at breaking a deadlock. It is true however that you do need to be able to recognise when being a spy is not going to work and actually change class, although the same is true of pretty much all the classes.

[umiman]

Spy is awesome. A good spy can singlehandedly hold up and redirect fire from many players, forcing them to allocate resources into deflecting the actions of just one player. If a spy can make a medic and a pyro run around trying to find him for a few minutes, that's a few minutes where people are not getting healed and teammates are not getting roasted.

[Vertigon]

I'm perfectly willing to say that I jumped on the F2P train when it arrived at the station, and if you rage at me for a being a sucky noob (I am), I'm most likely going to laugh at you. Also when I've actually had some sleep, I'll link my backpack. I have like 3 hours and virtually no items, but if you want anything I have I'll give it to you. I don't really want anything in return, that's just not how I roll.

[PTTG??]

Allow me to sum up some sentiments so we can get them out of the way:

"Oh no! People who haven't played TF2 before are bad at it! This will permanently destroy TF2!"

If your post could be summed up to be something like the above, think for a bit before you post it.