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[Pandarsenic]

You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.

It beats the hell out of a pistol. =p

I like wrangling it -alot-.

And is in turn beaten mercilessly by "Place the sentry and shoot your shotgun or pistol alongside it."

Derp.

[Siquo]

And why do people stand still while wrangling? I don't stand still when I'm shooting any other gun.

[Derekristow]

Engineers in general tend to do a lot of stand in one spot.  As a sniper it's pretty funny to kill a guy then watch him run straight to the exact same spot to be killed again.

[Pandarsenic]

^That.

[Empty]

So I bought Team fortress 2 yesterday.
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.

Now what?

Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?

[NUKE9.13]

So I bought Team fortress 2 yesterday.
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.

Now what?

Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?

Items drop at random. You get them when you die.
If you want some more training (the tutorial is all but useless in practical terms), try offline mode.

[Myroc]

So I bought Team fortress 2 yesterday.
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.

Now what?

Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?

Items drop at random. You get them when you die.
If you want some more training (the tutorial is all but useless in practical terms), try offline mode.

Achievements also give you items when you complete enough of them.

[Thexor]

So I bought Team fortress 2 yesterday.
Completed the training.
Played a game with some Russian speaking players in my team.

Now what?

Oh and what's the deal with items? Do you only get them at the end of the game? What's gives them?

Items drop at random. You get them when you die.
If you want some more training (the tutorial is all but useless in practical terms), try offline mode.

Wait... isn't the tutorial Soldier-only? Yeah, it's pretty useless, though it does teach the basics of (arguably) the simplest-to-learn class.


Items can be gained in, as of recently, 4 ways. In ascending order of usefulness:

One is to buy them with real money - given how expensive they are, a pretty costly proposition. Don't bother.
Two is to trade for them. Works a lot better when you've got something to trade back. 
Three is to get them by random drops. You get items after playing for a random period of time, and they're officially 'awarded' to you next time you die.
Four is to earn achievements. Each class has a bunch of achievements to earn - you've probably earned a few of them already! Each class also has "Milestone 1, 2, 3" achievements, awarded for earning a number of other achievements - those ones award free, guaranteed items. For instance, getting 10 Scout achievements gives you a free FaN, 15 gives you a Sandman, and 20 gives a Bonk!. This is the easiest way to quickly earn the item you want. (Sadly, the newest crop of items doesn't have achievements for them, but it's at least a guaranteed way to get all the 'old' items.)

[Soulwynd]

You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.

It beats the hell out of a pistol. =p

I like wrangling it -alot-.

And is in turn beaten mercilessly by "Place the sentry and shoot your shotgun or pistol alongside it."

Derp.

Not really. I will kill anyone way faster by wrangled mini sentry than mini+shot. And if you wanna engie duel, I will kill you way faster as well. Not only it does more damage, but it snaps at you, not wasting any dps.

Wrangled minisentry does 96dps.
A minisentry + shotgun does 81dps on average.

Don't get me wrong, if someone gets near melee range, I will drop wrangle and shotgun on the face which is where the shotgun shines, but at normal ranges, wrangle minisentry wins. Not only that it does more damage, but you can use its shield for cover.

Besides shotgun on the face at melee range, the next dps step for the engie is the normal sentry at level 2. If you really want to use your shotgun along with your sentry use the normal sentry at level 1 + the shotgun, then you will match the wrangled minisentry dps (it's almost exactly the same dps) and even have a longer range for the sentry, but you will have a longer setup time as well.

Back before the update, I used engie traps + shotgun, which was basically using a level 1 around a corner and luring enemies in for the kill.

Course, if you like doing mini & shotgun, nothing wrong with that, just don't come saying it does more dps because it doesn't. The pistol + mini will do more dps (around 10 more dps than wrangled sentry), but that's assuming you will not miss a single shot and the guy will stay in the mini sentry's range.

Spoiler: And I have 140+ hours of engie to say I'm not just picking a fight to bullshit you. Also you can go check the tf2 wiki and do the mid range averages for dps yourself. If that's not enough, lets play together. (click to show/hide)

[Empty]

Another question.

I've looked trough the last 10 pages of the topic but haven't found any server where you guys are playing on.

Is there one?

[Zai]

Wait... isn't the tutorial Soldier-only? Yeah, it's pretty useless, though it does teach the basics of (arguably) the simplest-to-learn class.

Solly could only be considered the simplest class if you're only learning the basics (...hitting a target). Juggling opponents, wall jumping, and other advanced rocket jumping techniques all take more time to learn. Easiest to learn (in my opinion) would be Heavy or Targe Demo (unless you're Grenade Jumping, which most Demoknights don't).

Another question.

I've looked trough the last 10 pages of the topic but haven't found any server where you guys are playing on.

Is there one?

The Dwarf Fortress Community server is the main one:
217.163.31.206:27015

[Pandarsenic]

You really shouldn't be wrangling a mini sentry unless the enemy is outside your range. Even then I can't really recommend it all that much. DPS is too low.

It beats the hell out of a pistol. =p

I like wrangling it -alot-.

And is in turn beaten mercilessly by "Place the sentry and shoot your shotgun or pistol alongside it."

Derp.

[Snip]

That's assuming both people hit every shot. If it were that simple... well, yeah.

But it's not just pure numbers, there's also the concern of aim as well as which of you they choose to go after. A lot of players will have a minor freakout over fighting an engie and his minisentry at the same time.

[Strange guy]

I find the extra spots the infinite range mini sentry gives you and the fact enemies often waste their firepower against the triple durability mini-sentry is enough to mostly equip the wrangler, though I use my shotgun most of the time and keep the wrangler for when it's really needed. Still both pistol and wrangler are valid choices for gunslinger engies.

[darkedone02]

I love and hate this game at the same time that it's actually funny... I love this game due to the nice weapons's, updates, and some good server's filled with good people, and I hate this game due to my problem with connecting to the servers and how the sort list by population don't work sometimes (when I join a server, any server, i've see only the IP, the name, max player, ping, and everything else is blank... and get the server not responding.... it happens all the time when I hit the internet tab to find more servers, however it don't happen alot if I go though my history or my faviorates...). I also dislike it when I am playing as an engineer, trying to support my team, but they don't support me back from keeping spies away from me and won't even listen to me.

I 've just got my new spy dagger and it's kinda hard to use in some situation's... it's useless with the dead ringer so I only use this if I carefully move around and wait for the opportunity to stab and more then 2 people. As Engineer, demoman's are worse then spies... cause they love sticking at least two sticky bombs to blow shit up... and I hate my teams don't do anything about it.

[Org]

Lies.
I dominated a game(or, part of it) with Your Eternal Reward and the Ringer.