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[Ze Spy]

oh , polycount?

seems to me that the New Spy knife Bypasses Razorbacks , Backstabs don't Make a Kill icon , Killed Person gets a Deathcam of a Random Guy which is not the spy , and the Corpse dissapears upon backstabs and only makes the death sound to the player killed and the killer , which means that it can hide the fact that there is a spy

for the Underside of having a Slower Swing rate , No Backstab Indicators and Does Less damage Poking someone with the knife

[Volatar]

oh , polycount?

seems to me that the New Spy knife Bypasses Razorbacks , Backstabs don't Make a Kill icon , Killed Person gets a Deathcam of a Random Guy which is not the spy , and the Corpse dissapears upon backstabs and only makes the death sound to the player killed and the killer , which means that it can hide the fact that there is a spy

for the Underside of having a Slower Swing rate , No Backstab Indicators and Does Less damage Poking someone with the knife

Give it double vulnerability to fire damage and I might not call it totally OP. 

[dragnar]

What's so great about that? The razorback is worthless, especially if you use the ambassador. And the other stuff isn't half as obvious as the spy appearing right as somebody dies. If no one else is in the area you are going to get away, whether the kill icon and such is there or not.

[Pandarsenic]

That speed rate would be a severe hit - the time those bonuses it gives are most important are when you're going to town on a group all facing one way and now you can't rush into a chainstab with it....

[SHAD0Wdump]

I think that Valve might be able to do something with the tagline of 'phenomenal cosmic powers'.

[Vactor]

It would be a cool mechanic where when you backstab someone you become disguised as them, and they get turned into a friendly fireable spy disguise.

That is you run up behind someone, backstab them.  Your characters switch positions, you have their disguise on.  They become disguised as the enemy spy that appears to have just uncloaked in the middle of the group, they are unable to fire and susceptible to friendly fire during the duration of this, after a small time it wears off of them, you can keep the disguise.  It would allow a spy to infiltrate more deeply as they hop from host to host.

[Mr.Person]

I'd think it better to just kill the other guy. Eventually, nobody will be fooled anymore.

[Vactor]

I'd think it better to just kill the other guy. Eventually, nobody will be fooled anymore.

at that point then you just put on your regular knife and backstab to your heart's content, as nobody is fooled by the spy suddenly uncloaking in their midst.  It'd be a utility item, not a pew pew item.  It would be great for taking out engineer nests.

[Pandarsenic]

Have it make a dead ringer noise, use it on everyone around a sentry. XD

[Ze Spy]

That speed rate would be a severe hit - the time those bonuses it gives are most important are when you're going to town on a group all facing one way and now you can't rush into a chainstab with it....

Otherwise Everybody will be using that Knife over the Normal one , with all that bonuses and all
Plus , a Simple "Spy *Backstab* Sniper" is enough to Make the entire Enemy team Paranoid , even if the sniper is Four miles away

If you want to Chainstab , Do it with the Original Knife , nothing's stopping you , except for a pyro

[ToonyMan]

I think razorback snipers should be invincible to spies but get hurt more from other people.  Like 50 HP.

[Jreengus]

Razorback needs a buff, I'd make it protect from all crits that hit you from behind transforming them into regular hits while maintaining its current functionality against backstabs.

[dragnar]

The problem with the Razorback is simple: If there's someone behind a sniper, he's dead. It doesn't matter if it's a spy.

[ToonyMan]

The problem with the Razorback is simple: If there's someone behind a sniper, he's dead. It doesn't matter if it's a spy.

Good snipers will only have spies get past them.

[Soulwynd]

Not always. Good snipers always win.