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[Mongol13524]

CLANG CLANG CLANG

First the Ellis' cap, and now the pan gets more valuable. Unfortunatly, Valve has ran out of L4D2 items to valuidify.

[Descan]

New Heavy Weaspon: L4D2 Minigun.

*6 months later*

"L4D2 mini-gun now usable by Spy, Medic, Scout, and Pyro"

[PTTG??]

Heavy needs a steampunk laser minigun.

[miauw62]

I kind of agree with above, tough over/underpowered steampunk lazers are the new tf2 hype, it seems

Valve screwed up nearly every steampunk lazer weapon by under/overpowering it: pomson, phlog, cow mangler, manmelter...
That doesnt make them any less awesome looking. Do we have these already?

One other thing that makes me sad:
There are few worthwhile hats and good weapons for the pyro. You're pretty much stuck with default, flare, detonator, axethinguisher or degreaser.

[Cecilff2]

I propose that this update forever be known as the PAN update.

This makes me so very happy.  I will definitely be switching my scout and medic loadouts.  Possibly heavy too, though not for serious.

[PTTG??]

I'd suggest selling your pan now. Get 7 refined for it.

In two weeks, buy it back for 1 or 2 scrap as normal.

[DJ]

I think Manmelter is pretty decent, because it lets me put out teammates without using up my precious Backburner ammo. I use Backburner because it rips through entire teams if you can come in from behind, which is what pyro should be trying to do anyhow. With default I find myself getting killed before I can do enough damage for them to burn to death.

[adwarf]

Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longer

[Karnewarrior]

Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longer

Don't worry, you'll get special weapons soon enough.

I use Jag, since I usually bang on my sentry anyways. I can set up a pre-built sentry fast enough to kill a scout even after he saw me.

[mr. macduggan]

Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longer

There is pretty much nothing at all wrong with the weapons that the engineer comes with, and with practice you should be just fine. For heavy, try to get your hands on a sandvich and a gloves of running urgently. The gloves can be crafted specifically iirc, just look up the recipe. The sandvich will either have to drop at random or traded for.

[jester]

You can get both alot of decent weps inc. sandvich for heavy and the gunslinger for engi from achieves.  Milestone 1 2 and 3 all grant weapons for every class, Ive also got doubleups of almost every wep, im happy to trade 1:1 for any extras you have, my steam name is jimboblordofeskimos.

  Oh and you should get around 10 item drops per week, not inc crates.  Thats for roughly 10 or so hours of gameplay, the week clicks over on thursday, (in australia anyway).  If you dont play that much set yourself up for idleing (google tf2 idling),  you can just have the game running in the background while you do other things.

[Enzo]

Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longer

There is pretty much nothing at all wrong with the weapons that the engineer comes with, and with practice you should be just fine. For heavy, try to get your hands on a sandvich and a gloves of running urgently. The gloves can be crafted specifically iirc, just look up the recipe. The sandvich will either have to drop at random or traded for.

You can get both from achievements, can't you? Or just the sandvich? MacDug's right, very few of the default weapons are actually underpowered, and most of the fancy weapons have tradeoffs or are overspecialized. Most underpowered vanilla weps are melee weapons now that I think about it, as well as pretty much the entire Pyro loadout.

Somewhat related, the server I play on is planning on holding a vanilla-only night once a week. Will be fun.

(ninja'd)

[adwarf]

EDIT:  Nevermind

[Sonlirain]

Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longer

There is pretty much nothing at all wrong with the weapons that the engineer comes with, and with practice you should be just fine. For heavy, try to get your hands on a sandvich and a gloves of running urgently. The gloves can be crafted specifically iirc, just look up the recipe. The sandvich will either have to drop at random or traded for.

Come to think of it... the only Heavy gun with more firepower than the stock gun is the Brass Beast. All the others have less firepower (Natasha) or lower fire rate (Tomislav).

[PTTG??]

Been trying my hand at this as an Engineer, and a Heavy, I like both and love the game so far, but my weapons just don't pack as much punch as those special ones, and its a bit challenging against the players who've been there longer

Here, check this place out.

They give weapons to new players to help them start up.