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[PTTG??]

I've dabbled with airburst stickies from time to time and I've always been much more effective with the regular pill launcher.

[klingon13524]

Not like it's that useful most of the time, since a direct hit does so much more damage, but it helps every now and then.

There's no such thing as a "direct hit" with a sticky, what are you talking about.

[3]

Yeah sorry, I meant direct pill hits. Airbursting is good if you're absolutely precise, but consistently getting max damage isn't really practical for the average player. Unless you're trying to hit an inattentive Sniper or something.

[miauw62]

Also, I don't hate the DR as much as you do but it is a massive pain in the ass. There's nothing better than killing a spy that just decloaked, cause then you know he's dead.

Hm, a DR spy can easily be detected usually.
They drop dead just a little bit too soon.
But i always play pyro so.... (dont worry, i dont use the backburner)

[The Scout]

You guys are gonna hate me but, I use the Spycicle, DR, and the Enforcer. I can imagine a pyro being angry when shoot to death by a spy while he is flaming him. BUT IT'S SO FUN!

[PTTG??]

You have made a trivial enemy this day.

[jester]

You guys are gonna hate me but, I use the Spycicle, DR, and the Enforcer. I can imagine a pyro being angry when shoot to death by a spy while he is flaming him. BUT IT'S SO FUN!

Its fun cause its easy, if a weapon combination is giving you a distinct advantage over anyone not using it, you have a balance problem

[ThtblovesDF]

DR spys are very easy to detect. All spys are dr spys.

[jester]

DR spys are very easy to detect. All spys are dr spys.

Most of the 'good' spys ive played with use the vanilla watch, knife and ambassador. On a majority of the maps you can potentially run from one end to the other cloaked if you are smart about metal pickups.  An intelligent and patient vanilla spy can do alot more damage than one with DR, it just takes alot more skill.

[hemmingjay]

The only good spy is a dead spy. I am a dedicated spy hunter.

[miauw62]

I have a friend and he's an awesome spy, he uses C&D as main watch.
I personally prefer the invisiwatch, since its much, much better for getting behind enemy lines and then arriving 'from spawn', because they wont really suspect those people. (works best on payload maps, namely frontier, since its so long).
But i agree that a player thats good at a class can rock everybody using just the default equipment.
(rage-inducing named described flamethrower ftw!)
Nothing like burning a spy, while he hopelessly tries to throw himself in the moat at 2fort, then shooting him in mid-air with my trusty shotgun, and seeing him die a fraction of a sec before he hits the water.

[3]

Honestly, the Enforcer+DR nonsense aside, the Spy has one of the most balanced loadout selections around. There's nothing that's a considered a straight upgrade; everything's useful given different situations and playstyles. It's very possible to play an effective Spy using all three watches throughout a game.

[Duke 2.0]

Honestly, the Enforcer+DR nonsense aside, the Spy has one of the most balanced loadout selections around. There's nothing that's a considered a straight upgrade; everything's useful given different situations and playstyles. It's very possible to play an effective Spy using all three watches throughout a game.

Most of his knives are kinda shitty though

Kunai is a bad weapon and there are too many bad spies using it. Only excuse for using it is the high of using its novelty for fun.

[Putnam]

Vanilla is generally the best loadout to go with for general usage, except in a few specific circumstances:

1. Degreaser. Simple.
2. Axtinguisher. Also pretty obvious.
3. Atomizer. Triple jump doesn't hurt you if you don't do it.
4. Equalizer or Disciplinary Action. Move bonus is always good.
5. Caber. Always good fun.
6. Tomislav. Overpowered, man.
7. Sandvich. Why are you using a shotgun when you have a minigun?
8. Jarate. It's equally as useful as the SMG, oddly enough.
9. Flare gun. Dem crits.
10. Enforcer at its current stage, ambassador if you can aim and don't mind the whole "no random crits" thing.

[mr. macduggan]

Vanilla is generally the best loadout to go with for general usage, except in a few specific circumstances:

1. Degreaser. Simple.
2. Axtinguisher. Also pretty obvious.
3. Atomizer. Triple jump doesn't hurt you if you don't do it.
4. Equalizer or Disciplinary Action. Move bonus is always good.
5. Caber. Always good fun.
6. Tomislav. Overpowered, man.
7. Sandvich. Why are you using a shotgun when you have a minigun?
8. Jarate. It's equally as useful as the SMG, oddly enough.
9. Flare gun. Dem crits.
10. Enforcer at its current stage, ambassador if you can aim and don't mind the whole "no random crits" thing.

I will second this and add
11. The frying pan for demoman. because.