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[Putnam]

people get mad when i slander the great and powerful riot games but

it's riot's fault that people believe that

they made their game skillshot-heavy, which is fine, then made sure their playerbase knew that every other game had Less Skill Involved because there was No Counterplay because you Can't Dodge Skillshots, which is not really fine

so anything undodgable is automatically derided with "no counterplay" at this point

[Egan_BW]

flaregun counters snipers
checkmate atheists [/LSPTalk]

[MrRoboto75]

flaregun counters snipers
checkmate atheists [/LSPTalk]

Pyro burns Dessert Chef's brownies, resulting in bad yelp reviews.

[EnigmaticHat]

Oh my god

people get mad when i slander the great and powerful riot games but

it's riot's fault that people believe that

they made their game skillshot-heavy, which is fine, then made sure their playerbase knew that every other game had Less Skill Involved because there was No Counterplay because you Can't Dodge Skillshots, which is not really fine

so anything undodgable is automatically derided with "no counterplay" at this point

That's why

dodging is not counterplay, except maybe trivially

That's why you made this comment a month and a half ago

[Putnam]

yes

i try not to bring riot into it unless necessary because people get pissy at how pissy i am about it

and everyone gets covered in the piss and it's gross and mini-crits happen

i mean nothing REALLY bad has happened yet and i try to keep it that way

[Egan_BW]

Riot indeed are vastly inferior to muh volvo.
Praise GabeN.

[Putnam]

the main thing valve has over riot is that they never communicate at all instead of trying to and pushing their foot further into their digestion system

it's an improvement, but is it really that much of one?

hell, considering that pretty much all of their recent communication with the gaming community has been pretty bad (see: paid mods), their understanding that not saying anything at all is better than saying bad things is probably their biggest saving grace in comparison

(and yeah, they definitely know that; Robin Walker did a presentation on it)

[miauw62]

The only balance aspect volvo has ever tried to justify is crits, and reasons as to why they DIDNT introduce some things.

[EnigmaticHat]

I like Valve... I'm just not sure what they're even doing lately.  Like they're clearly putting some work into DOTA 2, they have at least a few people on TF2 but I don't think their heart is in it like it was in the earlier years.  They're trying to find a way to jump ship on Windows what with Linux support/big picture/steam box.  Altogether those things are still not THAT much considering who they are.  I really hope they're working on some new game that'll blow us all away.

[Putnam]

Chet Faliszek is getting hype about something or another, so they have something to show.

[Egan_BW]

HL3 CONFIRMED

[Putnam]

99% sure it's a Vive VR thing. Maybe left 4 dead 3 will do something with it or something. Procedurally generated levels built specifically so that you go around the environment in your VR room? That sounds like something they would do.

[miauw62]

They still sort of need a flagship release for source 2, don't they?
Dota 2 already runs on that, but I think it's fairly heavily modified already.

[Putnam]

I get the feeling that they consider Dota 2 their flagship everything at this point. Dota 2 at peak hours gets more players than the #2-10 top played games on steam at their peak hours combined.

CS:GO actually gets more than #3-10 the same way, huh.

[miauw62]

Oh, I know how ridiculous the numbers for DOTA are. I just keep dreaming of TF2 somehow becoming relevant again, since it's one of the only games I'm really good at.