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[miauw62]

I basically never melee as a pyro unless i'm finishing off a heavy (you really don't want to be burning them with your ft when they're spun up), so I've just stayed with the axetinguisher.

Also I don't use the flare gun because I can't aim for shit with the flaregun.

I solve Engimatic's issue by having the scrollwheel weapon switch not require an extra click, so I don't use q at all

Sometimes I think I should switch to the degreaser, but my inner noob is repulsed by the damage malusses and strange degreasers cost so much more than strange flamethrowers...

[Teneb]

I basically never melee as a pyro unless i'm finishing off a heavy

There is a strange beauty in powrjack-critting those noob-ish scouts that try to bat you to death.

[Spehss _]

I remember when the powerjack first came out and it had something like 15% bonus melee damage and granted full health (or overheal) on every kill.

One time I was outside the other teams' spawn on Turbine when my team capped the flag and I got the crit bonus while I had a medic healing me. Shit was cray. I was tanking the entire enemy team and oneshotting almost everyone. Was especially satisfying since the server plug-in was announcing my multikills to everyone.

I miss that powerjack. Probably op and stupid but it was fun.

[miauw62]

Probably op and stupid but it was fun.

this quote perfectly describes minisentries.

[Teneb]

Probably op and stupid but it was fun.

this quote perfectly describes minisentries.

No, no. Ministenries + frontier justice? Oh yes.

[EnigmaticHat]

Probably op and stupid but it was fun.

this quote perfectly describes minisentries.

FTFY

[Iceblaster]

Hey!

They're a legitimate defense strategy when you have no engis and last is about to be capped

(May only apply to upward, but damnit it's useful.)

[miauw62]

Probably op and stupid but it was fun.

this quote perfectly describes minisentries.

FTFY

Minisentires are hilariously fun to play with though. I doubt getting powerjack-critted by an unkillable dude was very fun either :V

[Leafsnail]

I don't think mini-sentries are actually overpowered, it's more that they require very little skill or teamwork to use effectively (which is why I use them).  A decent team of engineers can probably do more by working together to make level 3 sentries (although a gunslinger can fit into such a team quite well by using his mini-sentry to cover the others in setup and devoting his time to upgrading other people's stuff).

[Spehss _]

Minisentires are hilariously fun to play with though. I doubt getting powerjack-critted by an unkillable dude was very fun either :V

To be fair, the unkillable powerjacking only lasted as long as the crit bonus lasted, which is ~5 seconds.

[EnigmaticHat]

The problem with minisentries is that if you're playing on the same team as people who are less skilled than you, then they can be incredibly frustrating to play against, especially as scout.  You rely on a small handful of classes to pop them whenever they see them (demos, soldiers, snipers, not spies because that's not worth giving up your position).  If those classes are inattentive, not present, unhelpful or just bad, you're going to be locked out of an area by complete newbs at no significant cost.  Also gunslinger + widowmaker is damn well overpowered, if you aren't concerned about keeping a big backlog of metal the widomaker's stats might as well read "+clip size x1000%" since a skilled player will never run out of ammo and can keep firing as long as they're alive.

The problem is that for most classes in the game, taking out a mini-sentry is more painful (not just in terms of health lost, but in terms of time spent and exposure to fire from other sources) than building a mini-sentry is, which is not even remotely true of standard sentries.  And since its a sentry there isn't nearly as much strategy to fighting it is there is fighting a player.  Which is fine for normal sentries because of all their weaknesses, but when you strip those away...

[Leafsnail]

Taking down a well-placed level 3 sentry (or a nest of them) is a lot more painful than putting it up.

e: I also think that the Widowmaker is one of those weapons that only really works well if you're playing against people that are much worse than you.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Especially when you're like me and put them in the absolute cheesiest spots ever.

[Spehss _]

e: I also think that the Widowmaker is one of those weapons that only really works well if you're playing against people that are much worse than you.

Widowmaker depends on your skill at aiming. Don't see how other player's skills impact your own skill at aiming aside from bad players being easier targets.

[EnigmaticHat]

The widowmaker USED to be hard to use.  Now it takes 30 metal, and can very plausibly return more than 50.  So, to recap: You have exactly the same clip size as before if you miss EVERY shot, even if harassing you'll probably come up with at least 8 shots, and at short/mid range with excellent aim you can just fire, and fire, and fire.  Forever.

Now if you're using a standard sentry completely running out of metal when you run out of ammo is a problem.  But as a gunslinger engi you're never really obligated to repair anything, so you can manage your metal soley to feed the widowmaker.  Plus the 100 metal you get after building a mini-sentry is MORE than enough to never run out of ammo.  Even better, picking up weapons off the ground reloads your weapon, not your reserve.

Add this to an already assembled mini-sentry and you're basically a mini-heavy, you've got a combined health of 225, and comparable DPS at everything except point blank or crits.  Plus carrying your minisentry you move faster than a heavy and I believe the sentry and minigun deploy at about the same speed.  You'll still lose to heavies if they ignore your mini-sentries but it will be suprisingly close.  All this damage is hitscan because fuck pyros, and a lot of it is perfectly accurate and has significant knockback because fuck scouts.