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[Cheeetar]

Anyway, I've never heard of anything BUT evolution used as the scientific explanation for the origins of life - I always thought it unlikely, so please explain what the scientifically accepted theory is.

No, look, unless you live in some sort of country inhabited almost totally by idiots, evolution is not ever used as an explanation of the origin of life. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with the origin of life.

NOTHING

[Jude]

DUDE! are you trying to start a flame war??

Disagreeing =/= flaming

The majority of the Army is Christian,

A bastardized and corrupted version of Christianity. It's really stretching it to call mainstream Christianity "Christianity" after Constantine's hijacking of it.

and I'm not arrogant enough to claim that I have some kind of monopoly on being a real Christian even if I was one

I don't claim a monopoly on being a real Christian, I'm agnostic (grew up Christian and my parents made sure I knew the Bible pretty well...you'd be surprised how Biblically illiterate a lot of people are). But I do claim to be able to read the New Testament and add 2+2, and I know that the first time when Christians decided it was OK to use violence (ever, not just in "just wars") was after Constantine decided to meld Christianity with Roman paganism, and that's the religion that's since taken over western civilization.

I rate country before God, in a lot of things.

That's fine as long as you're aware that that's the exact opposite of what Christianity is about

I don't predict seeing them in direct conflict with each other, without one being corrupted to such an extent where it no longer the original matters

They're always in conflict with each other. The kingdom of God that Jesus talked about is completely mutually exclusive with the kingdoms, countries and states of the world. "You can't serve two masters," I think he said.

(for more on this topic, and a discussion of why Christians aren't "realists" in the sense that people justify military actions with, see authors such as Walter Wink, Shane Claiborne, Gregory Boyd, Donald Kraybill...there's others, those are the first ones I can think of)

Sorry Jude, but I've thought deeper about my own beliefs than you have.

I'm not saying you haven't. I'm just pointing out that if you call your beliefs Christianity, you're gravely mistaken (if not then there's not really a problem)

And yeah.......evolution does not explain the origin of life.

[Strife26]

I've resigned myself to the possibilty of eternal damnation a long time ago.

[Jude]

Oh cool. I've resigned myself to the unlikelihood of it. I'm banking on if there is a God, he's probably not a huge douche.

[inaluct]

If I die and wake up in some strange dark space with a deity standing next to me, I'll be like "Whoa, I am dead? Are you a god? I believe in you now. Sorry for not believing before."

And then if the god is like "Eh, it's cool. There isn't any proof that I exist anyway," I'll high five it and go eat my 72 white grapes.

If it's like "No, Inaluct, it's too late for apologizing. You're going to spend the rest of fucking eternity with the greatest human intellects who have ever lived other sinners," then I'll be like "Hey man, fuck you, then. Asshole."

And then I'll get to meet Mark Twain.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

This is how the last three or four pages of this line of discussion read to me:

Jude: Strife26, why are you betraying your own beliefs!?
Strife26: Because I'm a hypocrite.
Jude: You can't be a Christian.
Strife26: That's up to you now?
Jude: Yes. You're wrong and I'm going to tell you so.
Strife26: Whatever, dude.
SolarShado: Jude, are you trying to start a flame war?
Jude: SolarShado, I'm not flaming anyone. Strife26, you're not a real Christian.
Strife26: Whatever, dude.

[inaluct]

Jonathan S. Fox: Heh heh, I'm just like Bromor Neckbeard now. Except I'm a furry and I don't know if he is. Also, I am summarizing this thread, and he isn't.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Maybe leaving off an explicit explanation of my post made it unclear. I'm hoping Jude will see how pointlessly provocative his continual bashing of Strife26's religious views and lifestyle is coming across, even if he strives to phrase his posts politely. As I see it, it is to Strife26's credit that this thread has not descended into a flame war already.

[Jude]

If it's like "No, Inaluct, it's too late for apologizing. You're going to spend the rest of fucking eternity with the greatest human intellects who have ever lived other sinners," then I'll be like "Hey man, fuck you, then. Asshole."

And then I'll get to meet Mark Twain.

Dude, if the fire and brimstone hell turns out to be legit, I'm begging for mercy. That does not sound like fun. You don't get to enjoy the company of those great intellects if you're being burned and sodomized by pig-demons.

Of course, the idea of eternal torment is also extra-Biblical, so you're probably good to go.

And Fox dude, if you like to think that flaming and calling out inconsistencies in people's views are one and the same, then go right ahead

[Jonathan S. Fox]

I'm not concerned with how you label your own posts, I'm suggesting that bashing other's religious views and telling them they aren't actually members of their own faith is pointlessly provocative. I don't think responding to me with sarcasm is necessarily the best way to handle that criticism.

[Jude]

I'm not concerned with how you label your own posts, I'm suggesting that bashing other's religious views and telling them they aren't actually members of their own faith is pointlessly provocative.

Not if someone examines their life and changes it

[deadlycairn]

Isn't Christian someone who believes in Christ? Just a question. I mean, as there are already so many different denominations with their own little quirks I don't think Strife stands out as being un-Christian - at least he believes.

[Jude]

Isn't Christian someone who believes in Christ?

I'd define it as someone who FOLLOWS Christ - i.e., acts like him and lives the way he did and according to his teachings.

By this definition, there's not but a handful of Christians in the world, but it's the definition that the early church and everyone who knew Jesus in person would have used.

[Electronic Phantom]

I spy with my little eye a thread hijacking.

By this definition, there's not but a handful of Christians in the world, but it's the definition that the early church and everyone who knew Jesus in person would have used.

I think you need to go back and read again what it means to be a Christian.  You're speaking to works-based salvation, which is more Mormon than Christian.  And it's not Christian at all.

-(e)EP

[inaluct]

You're speaking to works-based salvation, which is more Mormon than Christian.  And it's not Christian at all.

I don't even need to say it, do I?