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[Ignoro]

Find what? I posted that because I wasn't sure whether someone had replied to your post yet. Hence the phrase "may have". But apparently nobody did.

I was beginning to think I was blind.
What did you mean by both theories wouldn't apply? I'm not sure what you mean, and I'd like to hear it.

I do not intend to argue

You have no sense of fun. But you do know how to play it safer than most.

What merit would that be

It's not 100% baseless, and while there is no real evidence it applies to us we have evidence can apply to life elsewhere, and we know it already describes some life here.

It sure doesn't contribute anything to science

Well, when we start designing bacteria for various industrial and medical applications, we can finish the sentence "I just the whole petri dish" because the bacteria sure didn't evolve into what we made it in the dish. Same thing with "I just the whole medicine producing goat". Or "I just the whole cyborg". It also contributes when we search for life on other planets... Joseph, have you ever heard of the messenger theory? It might be worth mentioning in your project. Bacteria and plankton for altering gas levels in atmosphere for pre-colonization is another good one.

[Cheeetar]

What merit would that be

It's not 100% baseless, and while there is no real evidence it applies to us we have evidence can apply to life elsewhere, and we know it already describes some life here.

You know what? Gravity isn't real, because chickens lay eggs.
The above statement has merit. Why? Chickens lay eggs, and that describes life. My theory should be taught next to evolution.
Edit: Or atleast, until I research my theory a bit more. Just give it some time.

Quotes

1. This is the internet, not a school.
2. People in a school will not go around saying "I believe in evolution, if you don't I'm going to bash you/not be your friend" (I'm not saying they are mutually exclusive here by the way)
3. Most people (normal people) would not go around telling people their beliefs when not asked.

[Electronic Phantom]

...wow

@Torak:  Here here for being tolerant of what others believe.  And, for your information, I consider myself to be pretty moderate about what I believe.

@Cheeetar: Since I have personally experienced what you so vehemently denied in your last post, I'm gonna call you on it.  That simply is not correct.  And, I'm referring to the part which is 'if you don't believe in xyz, I'm gonna bash your head in.'  Or something very similar to that.

-(e)EP

[Cheeetar]

Well, I go to Australia, are schools in America rougher or something? Is your experience of that from a school? Were you shouting about your beliefs in class, or did people ask for them?

[Electronic Phantom]

Not all of them.  And yes.  They were asked about.  And yes.  I told them.  And yes, it blew up in my face.

-(e)EP

Just on a side note: what happened to NOT turning this into a discussion of the questions?

[Nilocy]

1 - Is Intelligent Design a valid scientific theory? Why or why not?
No, because God hasn't been proven or disproven yet. But then again you could always just use that endgame idea "Because thats the way god wanted it to be."
2 - Is evolution a valid scientific theory? Why or why not?
Yes. Its happening all the time. Its so simple it'll work.
3 - Do you consider evolution to be a theory, or a fact? Why?
Fact. Well its fairly darn obvious it works, has happening, and is happening. Many many examples.
4 - Do you consider Intelligent Design a scientific way of thinking, or mainly a religious way of thinking? Why?
Its a complete cop out by most religious ideas. They didn't even contribute to the notion of evolution, yet they twist it around to work for them? Yet they're still having arguements between themselves about it being true or false.
5 - Should evolution be taught in public schools? Explain.
Yes. Because its a completely sound idea that hasn't been disproved yet.
6 - Should Intelligent Design be taught in public schools? Explain.
No. Religion should NEVER be preached in schools. Its peoples choice if they want to learn about religion, not someone elses.
7 - Should Intelligent Design and evolution both be taught alongside one another? Explain.
Point above.
8 - Is it possible to believe in a divine being, as well as Evolution?
Well, im guessing so because the creationist think its right....

[Ignoro]

You know what? Gravity isn't real, because chickens lay eggs.
The above statement has merit. Why? Chickens lay eggs, and that describes life. My theory should be taught next to evolution.
Edit: Or atleast, until I research my theory a bit more. Just give it some time.

Tell me again that the last ten years of advances in genetic engineering don't exist. Tell me again that patents on artificial life forms are patents on thin air. Tell me again that artificial species exist as they do because they evolved that way on their own. Tell me again that what we can question, research, hypothesize, test, draw conclusions from and repeat, in that order, defines the world except for GMOs. Tell me again what is scientific can be applied elsewhere except for GMOs. Tell me again that what we do IN OUR OWN LABS is utter nonsense. Tell me again that what I can wave under your nose and slap you upside the face like this is all as fake as the holocaust. Tell me again that all you have left is the equivalent of the religious dogma I'd assume you despise, and it's making me laugh.

Tell me, yes or no question, are we, an intelligence, not responsible for a number of life forms?

You know what? Chickens are real, because I have one in my backyard. My neighbor has several. I can touch, taste, smell, see and hear this chicken. I can question, research, hypothesize, test, draw conclusions from this chicken and repeat. I can do everything to this chicken that makes evolution real, and then some. Therefore, it should be taught that chickens are real, right alongside evolution.

what happened to NOT turning this into a discussion of the questions?

I could quit if it weren't for the persons like the one quoted above.

[inaluct]

Tell me, yes or no question, are we, an intelligence, not responsible for a number of life forms?

Look, we're talking about the majority of organisms on earth, not technicolor guppies. Duh.

What the hell do you think the point of intelligent design is?! They are talking about all those animals living out in the world, not some tiny amount of genetically engineered animals.

Just because we can design animals DOES NOT mean that we, or any animals that we did not design, are designed.

[Ignoro]

I quote (Yet again because no one seemed to read it the first time):
The assertion or belief that physical and biological systems observed in the universe result from purposeful design by an intelligent being rather than from chance or undirected natural processes.

Are there biological systems we observe in the universe that resulted from purpose instead of chance? Again, a yes or no.
Are there legitimate things intelligent design applies to then? The answer should be inherent.

we're talking about the majority of organisms on earth

Read the definition. Are there biological systems we observe in the universe that resulted from purpose instead of chance?

Does it need to apply to a majority of things to be recognized? We could cut out everything from science except general relativity, chemistry, and physics if it had to apply to most things to be recognized.

Just because we can design animals DOES NOT mean that we, or any animals that we did not design, are designed.

Just because we have evidence that some animals evolved DOES NOT mean that we, or any animals that we did not see evolve, evolved.
   

[Strife26]

I nearly got into a shouting match over 'soft power' on friday.

And yes, people are definitly critisized for their beliefs.

ID (which really is creationism, just allowing that 7 day creation might not exist) has the clear benifit of making sense in regard to the origional spark of life.

My world view goes sometihng like this:
God creates the univese day 0

Unspecified date later - Earth comes into a semi-modern form.

God creates first spark of life (does not require a specific atmospehric composistion or an eltricfied mud puddle)

Life develops over a long time )Possibly with God's intervention in pushing it along, eyes come to mind).

Human History (with ocasionaly Divine meddling)

Jesus

Now

End of World!!

DF 1.0

I don't deny evolution, but I still can't find a better argument that makes enough sense to change my beliefs. One probably doesn't exist.

[inaluct]

Strife, what do you think about other religious figures? Ones other than Jesus? Like, for instance, what do you think about the Buddha? I'm curious to know.

[Strife26]

Nice guy, good role model. May or may not have had divine guidence. I try not really, although I'm quite lenient in who I think goes to Heaven or Hell. I do think, however, that Jesus is the Son of God.

[inaluct]

Wait, you believe in hell? Is it an eternal one?

[Ignoro]

Hold it, hold it. That goes in another thread I think.
If you want to continue in this one, please answer my rebuttal.

[Strife26]

Your reasoning works fine, but is not applicable to the origional creation of life. Rebutal done.

Yes, Hell is eternal in my mind. With a clear, Dante-inspired twinge. Except I like to add a Fiddler's Green in there as well. It lets me assume that I'm going to hell without being too worried.