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Deathworks

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About greedy bankers and carmakers
« on: February 18, 2009, 01:00:15 pm »

Hello!

Yes, if you haven't guessed, this is a thread joining in in the recent series of complaint threads here and the topic are bankers and carmakers.

The thing is, hearing what is going on around the world and here in Germany, I can only say that some bankers and some managers in the car industry deserve being called "scumbags".

Okay, here is the deal:

Those investment bankers played roulette with international fonds, not even knowing what they were doing themselves, but getting big boni as long as things worked out. Now, the bubble has burst, their banks are going bankrupt and are dragging other banks, firms, even nations along down the drain causing massive damage as a direct consequence of their irresponsible behavior.

I have seen the queries in the US on TV, and it was nice to see at least some CEOs who had the guts to say "Until we got the bank out of the trouble, I won't take boni or a regular salary". Now, turning back to Germany, we have the investment bankers, yes, the very people to blame for the trouble we are in, say "We still haven't gotten our boni from 2008. If you don't pay us that money we earned, we will go to court!"

Do they have any sense of how miserable they have made the life for thousands of people already? And talking about "having earned" the boni is really absurd. If your average worker breaks a machine in a factory, I don't think they pay him extra for his great deed.

And the carmakers in Germany have overlooked the writing on the wall for years. They were heading for a crisis even without the bank crisis because they continued producing cars that never had a future and were not wanted by the consumer. Now, they are using the crisis as an excuse to get money from the state.

And talking about sueing, there are also the shareholders of the HRE bank. Germany has blown already billions of Euros into that bank. In fact, we have already put several times the value of the bank into it, but thus far, Germany has not claimed sufficient rights to influence on the bank. Now, as the HRE is asking again for even more money, the government is preparing to claim the bank, paying out the shareholders. Consequently, the shareholders now want to sue against that possibility.

In the 70s, the German government said "We will not be blackmailed!", and I have come to the point where I say they should say this again and let the HRE shareholders rot. If they don't want the government money, don't give it to them. Then they can use their shares for toilet paper once the HRE bank goes down the drain. I think risking whatever domino effect the HRE bank may have is better than blowing more and more government money into a firm so that a few obviously incompetent people can just get more and more profit.

Sorry about the harshness, but I am really annoyed at all this.

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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 02:18:42 pm »

Time for the Torches and Pitchforks!
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 02:26:39 pm »

We need a slogan!
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 03:07:34 pm »

BEES shouts: "BEES".

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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 04:45:54 pm »

Ugh, the US carmaker CEO's had the decency to not take a salary and only settle for tens of millions of dollars of stock options...

...but the bankers insisted they had a right to multi-million dollar stock options after running the national economy into the ground.  It was only after a government law that companies getting payout agreed to limit executive salaries.  Why?  Because they were required to agree if they wanted funds.  But this left the obscene stock options which are the bulk of their payment out of the picture.  A recent amendment limits the golden paracute for those getting government fund some more.  But the shame less attitude of these people is disgusting.  American CEO compensation is obscene compared to Europe or Japan, some of the bank ceo's that caused this mess were making 100 million dollars in total compensation a year.  And they were only paying a 15% tax rate to boot!


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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 04:56:52 pm »

Hm. Well I guess a moderately serious topic had to have the first 3 posts as retarded.
Anywho, I must say that you are really forgetting some of the people who really started it:
American consumers.

Take Joe the Plumber (See what I did thar?) He is already deep into debt, but he decides to not care a rat's ass about the financial situation, and buy, buy, BUY! with money that he doesn't have.
Unfortunately this accounts for 80% of the consumer population just 10 years ago.

How can we start balmong the banks when we ourselves are to blame also? (Actually, since some of the people here are below 20 years of age, I guess you can blame your elders.)

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for the banks and auto-industries myself, but now is not the time to be pointing fingers.
And if you really hate the auto-industries, blame Chrysler.
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 06:13:20 pm »

China.

The country needs to reinvest in itself and areas with similar economic conditions. Free trade isn't free. You can't use slave labor in America (on any scale). You can in China. America is based off of farms and steel. We have to remember that. We can keep buying cars from Germany, but American industry must remain competitive.

Also, we must disengage from the world militarily. Sorry Germany, but you don't need our tanks there keeping you safe from the sovs, do you? Stay put in Korea (they actually need it). Put some more of the navy in Taiwan (they're slightly better than the PRC). And leave Iraq straight-away.

As long as we're doing stuff, build up a national grid of nuclear and coal power plants and start pooring research into electric cars.

Balance the budget right the fuck now!!! Get rid of partisian politics. Free Silver!

This is the Strife plan for a new America! Elect me president six elections from now!
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 06:14:16 pm »

China.
When all goes wrong, blame China.  ;D
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 06:17:02 pm »

When it's china's fault, blame china. Same with Japan. Basicly, tarif the hell out of any country without decent min. wage laws, and have a high tarif on the others.

I forgot, redo the tax system as well. If you make more than two million a year, it should be HEAVY! Not enough to knock one into the next bracket of course, but close.

There was only one sarcastic proposal in my posts, can anyone find it?
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 06:48:20 pm »

Sending more ships to Taiwan?
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2009, 06:52:55 pm »

We usually keep a missle cruiser there so the commi's don't try to reclaim their 'rouge provience.'

Basicly, when China went comi, the nationalists and democratic people went to Taiwan and declared independence. We'd rather China doesn't take them out.
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2009, 07:05:16 pm »

Basicly, when China went comi, the nationalists and democratic people went to Taiwan and declared independence. We'd rather China doesn't take them out.
I thought it was the other way around. That is, Republic of China fled to Taiwan and the communists declared independence.
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2009, 07:10:01 pm »

I propose a soft income cap of $5,000,000. As you reach five million in combined personal income (perks, gifts, and so on included), you income tax approaches 50%. If your income would still surpass 5mill, the remaining income is taken as well.

If you make 5m, then you pay 2.5m taxes. If you pay 10m, you pay 5m, and if you pay 20m, you pay 15m taxes.

For people with less than $10,000 yearly income, there shall be no taxes.
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2009, 08:27:51 pm »

Basicly, when China went comi, the nationalists and democratic people went to Taiwan and declared independence. We'd rather China doesn't take them out.
I thought it was the other way around. That is, Republic of China fled to Taiwan and the communists declared independence.
That'd be correct. *Has a Chinese Nationalist friend and a Taiwanese-independence-advocate-from-Taiwan friend who argue about this constantly*
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Re: About greedy bankers and carmakers
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2009, 09:16:56 pm »

I'm curious, do you guys think my plan would help America?
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