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Author Topic: Please make "Floors" not useless  (Read 3082 times)

Crossroads Inc.

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Please make "Floors" not useless
« on: February 16, 2009, 04:43:26 pm »

Perhaps this has already been addreesed or otherwise brought up... But.. .Floors, as they are currently in the game... are USELESS! 

They SEEM a wonderfull thing, they require to suupport, one floor can be built over another leading into open space, they dont need to be next to a wall, if your making a tower 100 levels you can build floor without any support undernith on each level Wonderful!

Except.. Nothing ELSE can be built on "floor" If you have a tower and cover a level on floor you Cant: put down other walls to make rooms, put down furniture, etc. Floors are, currently USELESSS

Is this being addressed???
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2009, 04:47:43 pm »

Hello!

This is strange. You can place buildings on floors, including even stockpiles. The only thing you can't place on a floor is another construction (wall, floor, fortification).

Roads, on the other hand, do not allow you to place anything on top of them, but they do have the advantage of needing fewer resources.

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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2009, 05:14:42 pm »

the main thing i wish to do is build "rooms" in large towers,  Recently i have begun making large towers in my fortresses.  In order to make them usefull, i need a Floor of some sort to put Beds, Workshops and walls on to subdivid the space.   Currently if I covere a Tower level in "Floor" it wont let me puit done anything else
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 05:15:42 pm »

you can in fact put furniture/workshops on floors. you can't put walls on floors, but you can put walls/stairs/whatever connected to adjacent floors, so just don't build floor where you want to build other things, or deconstruct the floor already on that tile.

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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2009, 05:25:55 pm »

Currently if I covere a Tower level in "Floor" it wont let me puit done anything else
You just remove the floor under (where you're going to build) the wall...
There's no floor under the walls of your house, if you could see under them.
Floors are not useless, you're just expecting them to be placed under walls, which they're not, because there's no floors under walls.
It's perfectly realistic.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 05:29:02 pm by jaybud4 »
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 05:26:40 pm »

You need to remove constructed floors on tiles that you want to change into constructed walls. Be careful not to leave them unsupported when removing some, or they will collapse.

Corners are the toughest part, sometimes you need scaffolding (use bridges or other floors) and note that bridges, etc. don't support constructions from the side, top, bottom, or corners. It will let you designate a constructed floor that is only attached to the world via a bridge, but it will immediately collapse if you build such a thing.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 05:28:09 pm »

don't support constructions from the side, top, bottom, or corners.
Nothing supports construction from the corners.
Orthogonal directions only.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 05:54:10 pm »

Yeah, not being able to build walls on constructed floors is normal, you just build them over open space (deconstructing floors if necessary), and the adjacent floors support them.
But what's this about beds and workshops? Those definitely can be built on constructed floors.

Beds do have to be built Inside, however. Are you trying to build beds on a constructed floor that doesn't have a roof over it? Try building the next layer of floors.

Workshops don't have such restrictions, and if you seriously can't build them, then something is really wrong. Make a recording that shows you trying to place the workshop on your construction and not being allowed, head on over to http://mkv25.net/dfma/addmovie.php , and post a link. That'll give people a better idea of what exactly is going on.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 06:08:45 pm »

Thank you all so much for the feedback! I had become frutrated with floor issues and had not even thought about buildiing walls by removing floors where i want them.  And going back i discovered the previous fllors id built where outside.  :D
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 01:41:15 am »

I was a little confused by not being able to construct stairs on floors until I realized stairs in DF come with floors included.
Objects don't fall through stair tiles, either.  Why?  Because in DF when you buy the stairs they throw in the floor for free.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 03:11:23 am »

Another way to handle your wall problems is to build the floor "Skeleton" and leave the wall spaces empty. Logically speaking, if your dwarves can path to all the floor tiles in a given design, they can build it as they go.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 06:03:25 am »

oh, and be really careful that when you deconstruct the floors to put up walls, you dont cut a section of floor off from whatever is holding it up. floors do need something supporting them, in your case it sounds like its the stairs you built upwards to make a floor above ground level. if you cut the floor off from that it will fall, causing a cavein message. anything directly underneath will die, and if there are rooms in the next z level down, the cavein will collapse them as well.

also, dwarves cant build walls or floors diagonally, and floors and walls cannot support each other across diagonal squares.

in addition, you can build along the edge of bridges and floor grates, but they will not support the finished construction, i.e, the dwarf will build an impossible section of floor or wall, and as soon as they are done it will fall, dragging the builder down with it. i found this out trying to wall in drawbridges across a chasm, and lost a lot of dwarves as the section of wall crashed down through multiple bridges underneath it. funny but very annoying.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 01:02:57 pm »

Planning ahead helps a lot.  It's a lot easier to put up walls when and where you need them than to put up floors, remove the floors, potentially kill things where the building material falls, and put up the walls anyways.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2009, 01:05:30 am »

There's no floor under the walls of your house, if you could see under them.

thats not quite true.
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Re: Please make "Floors" not useless
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2009, 07:51:11 am »

There's no floor under the walls of your house, if you could see under them.

thats not quite true.
Maybe other walls were added in after your house was built?
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