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[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I actually hope that games go more in a 'this is a thematic and control' sequel, rather than a 'this is a literal next episode' sequel.

Kind of like I hope they keep making alien movies and never ever have ripley again.

How exactly is Far Cry 2 similar to Far Cry 1 in any way that isn't shared by every other FPS with large open areas?

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Oh.

Hm. Maybe it could be that they found out you are allied with the Jackal, and wanted to get rid of you. Or something else? I don't know.

Again, I saw worse endings. But I don't think I am going to want to defend the game JACKAL'S RAMPAGE anymore.

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You don't so much ally with the Jackal as walk past him towards the only way out of the country.  It really was just a weak attempt to make it seem even slightly plausible that you'd help the Jackal on his suicide mission.  "OMG I had to kill all my friends because- Oh wait, there is no because!  OMG I had to kill all my friends!  I don't want to live no more!"

[Servant Corps]

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Did The Jackal actually die? No body was ever recovered after all.

I just think you killed yourself not because for your 'mercy friends', but because The Jackal wants you to leave the country and shoot yourself (after saving the Africans). Once you leave the country though, there is no reason for you to shoot yourself, but maybe The Jackal is working off the 'honor system'. But I doubt you actually did it.

[Granite26]

Large, open world, beautiful lush jungles, relatively open path through it.

Mind you, I stopped Far Cry 1 about the time the mutant ape things showed up...

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Didn't want to be the only guy on the page without a spoiler.  Now I go faster!! WEEEEEE

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

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Did The Jackal actually die? No body was ever recovered after all.

I just think you killed yourself not because for your 'mercy friends', but because The Jackal wants you to leave the country and shoot yourself (after saving the Africans). Once you leave the country though, there is no reason for you to shoot yourself, but maybe The Jackal is working off the 'honor system'. But I doubt you actually did it.

If you read the journal it basically says something like

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'Everyone is dead... now I have to take the diamonds to the the Jackal to complete his plan.  I don't know if I have the will to live anymore.'

  I can't remember the exact words but that's the basic idea.

Large, open world, beautiful lush jungles, relatively open path through it.

Mind you, I stopped Far Cry 1 about the time the mutant ape things showed up...

Just Cause had all this... and aircraft, and a magic MDK-like parachute, and a grappling hook, and the ability to use the grappling hook to para sail then land on a vehicle's roof and hijack it.

OpFor, ArmA, and a few other games whose names I don't remember all had large wide open worlds.

[Servant Corps]

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Did The Jackal actually die? No body was ever recovered after all.

I just think you killed yourself not because for your 'mercy friends', but because The Jackal wants you to leave the country and shoot yourself (after saving the Africans). Once you leave the country though, there is no reason for you to shoot yourself, but maybe The Jackal is working off the 'honor system'. But I doubt you actually did it.

If you read the journal it basically says something like

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'Everyone is dead... now I have to take the diamonds to the the Jackal to complete his plan.  I don't know if I have the will to live anymore.'

  I can't remember the exact words but that's the basic idea.

Ah. See, um...

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I never actually played the game and knew there was a journal.

I guess maybe the terrible effects in the War might have made the character shell-shocked. The betrayal of your so-called 'friends' was just one part of a growing self-loathing of your job.

On the other hand, if my best friends happen to reveal themselves to be morons, I might want to kill myself too.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

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Did The Jackal actually die? No body was ever recovered after all.

I just think you killed yourself not because for your 'mercy friends', but because The Jackal wants you to leave the country and shoot yourself (after saving the Africans). Once you leave the country though, there is no reason for you to shoot yourself, but maybe The Jackal is working off the 'honor system'. But I doubt you actually did it.

If you read the journal it basically says something like

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'Everyone is dead... now I have to take the diamonds to the the Jackal to complete his plan.  I don't know if I have the will to live anymore.'

  I can't remember the exact words but that's the basic idea.

Ah. See, um...

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I never actually played the game and knew there was a journal.

I guess maybe the terrible effects in the War might have made the character shell-shocked. The betrayal of your so-called 'friends' was just one part of a growing self-loathing of your job.

On the other hand, if my best friends happen to reveal themselves to be morons, I might want to kill myself too.

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It's a little much to be explained as stupidity on the part of the characters, they weren't stupid enough.  It was just bad game design.  I can see the meeting going something like this.

Dev 1: "We need a reason for the guy to kill himself, let's make him kill all his friends."
Dev 2: "How?"
Dev 1: "Well, how about we just make them try to kill them at the end."
Dev 2: "Ok, good idea."

[Servant Corps]

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Is game design really the same as "storyline"? Most games do not hire good storyline writers, for good reason, because people play games. I would consider game design to be graphics, to be balancing the guns, not about the plausiblity of a plot.

I don't see why the character needs to kill himself, though. Having your former merc buddies try to kill you could be made better by having the merc buddies say, "Listen, we're sorry, but we know you have contacted The Jackal, and we decided it is best if you do not live anymore. We will provide you a grand funeral after you die. I remember all the times you saved my skin, and I'll never forget it! I'll miss you buddy! I really will miss you!"

Since the character is basically your Mary Sue for the game, you can easily rule that the guy meets up with a doctor and gets his depression healed up. Nothing can stop you.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

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Is game design really the same as "storyline"? Most games do not hire good storyline writers, for good reason, because people play games. I would consider game design to be graphics, to be balancing the guns, not about the plausiblity of a plot.

I don't see why the character needs to kill himself, though. Having your former merc buddies try to kill you could be made better by having the merc buddies say, "Listen, we're sorry, but we know you have contacted The Jackal, and we decided it is best if you do not live anymore. We will provide you a grand funeral after you die. I remember all the times you saved my skin, and I'll never forget it! I'll miss you buddy! I really will miss you!"

Since the character is basically your Mary Sue for the game, you can easily rule that the guy meets up with a doctor and gets his depression healed up. Nothing can stop you.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  I'm just saying that the ending is stupid because they basically just made you kill all your buddies for no reason other than to make it seem plausible that you'd take the battery.  It made no sense whatsoever for your buddies to want to kill you, and it was bad gameplay design because it basically punished you for working harder earlier in the game to save all your buddies.

[Sowelu]

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That's not a bad thing.  Lots of RPGs, especially, like to make the end game harder based on you doing very well in the early game.  The idea is that someone who's hardcore and great can take a bigger challenge at the end, and might even be disappointed without it.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

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That's not a bad thing.  Lots of RPGs, especially, like to make the end game harder based on you doing very well in the early game.  The idea is that someone who's hardcore and great can take a bigger challenge at the end, and might even be disappointed without it.

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 First of all, that was obviously not the case here.  Secondly, what RPGs are you talking about?  The only games like that are roguelikes where the point is to keep playing until you lose.... Unless you're talking about how Oblivion forces you to not use your primary skill or else all the enemies become unbeatable.

[Sowelu]

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Right off the top of my head, Star Ocean 2 and maybe 1, a lot of Final Fantasies power up the end bosses, lots of things.

[Servant Corps]

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Is game design really the same as "storyline"? Most games do not hire good storyline writers, for good reason, because people play games. I would consider game design to be graphics, to be balancing the guns, not about the plausiblity of a plot.

I don't see why the character needs to kill himself, though. Having your former merc buddies try to kill you could be made better by having the merc buddies say, "Listen, we're sorry, but we know you have contacted The Jackal, and we decided it is best if you do not live anymore. We will provide you a grand funeral after you die. I remember all the times you saved my skin, and I'll never forget it! I'll miss you buddy! I really will miss you!"

Since the character is basically your Mary Sue for the game, you can easily rule that the guy meets up with a doctor and gets his depression healed up. Nothing can stop you.

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  I'm just saying that the ending is stupid because they basically just made you kill all your buddies for no reason other than to make it seem plausible that you'd take the battery.  It made no sense whatsoever for your buddies to want to kill you, and it was bad gameplay design because it basically punished you for working harder earlier in the game to save all your buddies.

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Hm, let me fix it then. I think the scene would work better if your buddies state that they are going to kill you because they want the money, and that they're sorry, but it's business. Sure, it penalizes you for saving all your buddies, but hey, maybe I would program in that the buddy you helped out the most would actually try to defend your life, giving you an incentive.

My fix however would be even more blatant, don't force the player to commit sucidice. If the situation is dystopian enough, the player will likely kill himself anyway.

[beorn080]

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Right off the top of my head, Star Ocean 2 and maybe 1, a lot of Final Fantasies power up the end bosses, lots of things.

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I personally don't remember any FF that had the end get harder based on how good you did early. Granted I never played any past 6 to completion, but I've finished the first 6 on pretty much every system, and none of them had scalable bosses. Yes, most bosses in FF had percentage based attacks, but I never encountered a boss where it was better to be lower level. Some were better if you weren't a multiple of 3,4, or 5, but not specifically lower level.

You know what I would like to see. An FPS in the vein of the original Farcry, but open ended. Yes, you would have goals. Need to rescue the person you showed up with, find a way off, and perhaps make it unprofitable for the merc forces to work on that island. Maybe a secret lab that you could blow up. Enemies wouldn't simply respawn but would be flown in on helicopters and dropped off of ships. That could be abstracted unless you are actually at the docks or heliport when they come in. You could rescue prisoners and eventually take over compounds from the mercs. Rig traps for troops and vehicles. That would be a good FPS, and honestly what I was expecting to a degree with this one. Obviously that isn't gonna happen anytime soon.

[Sowelu]

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I personally don't remember any FF that had the end get harder based on how good you did early. Granted I never played any past 6 to completion, but I've finished the first 6 on pretty much every system, and none of them had scalable bosses. Yes, most bosses in FF had percentage based attacks, but I never encountered a boss where it was better to be lower level. Some were better if you weren't a multiple of 3,4, or 5, but not specifically lower level.

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FF7 is when they started doing that.  The end bosses scale somewhat based on level, get a large boost based on number of party members at level 99, and get a HUGE boost if you ever obtained the most powerful summon in the game, Knights of the Round.  Which is fortunate because otherwise the boss would be trivial with it.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

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I personally don't remember any FF that had the end get harder based on how good you did early. Granted I never played any past 6 to completion, but I've finished the first 6 on pretty much every system, and none of them had scalable bosses. Yes, most bosses in FF had percentage based attacks, but I never encountered a boss where it was better to be lower level. Some were better if you weren't a multiple of 3,4, or 5, but not specifically lower level.

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FF7 is when they started doing that.  The end bosses scale somewhat based on level, get a large boost based on number of party members at level 99, and get a HUGE boost if you ever obtained the most powerful summon in the game, Knights of the Round.  Which is fortunate because otherwise the boss would be trivial with it.

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That sounds horrible.  I've never played more than a few minutes of FF7, now I'm kind of glad.  It's like the utter retardation of Oblivion but with less unintentional screwups.