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[Ioric Kittencuddler]

No, actually this thread is about a game where you fight an African weapons dealer.

Actually, he's American, and that's not a spoiler, you meet him at the very beginning of the game, and it's clear who he is.  The game is not about fighting the Jackal, it's about running around in a fictional African country slaughtering militia guys while doing jobs for the groups they themselves are a part of.  The whole finding the Jackal thing gets tossed out within the first few minutes of the game.

Also, I said the thread "has been about single player games."  Not that it was originally about single player games(A group which the original subject is a part of anyway), so again you're wrong about me being wrong.

[Sowelu]

My point was that anyone going easy on you--another human, or the game's programming--is a less satisfying way to play than if the difficulty gets cranked all the way up, so increasing the difficulty is a valid reward for good play.  Kind of a winding path to follow from the spoilery place where

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

you're saving people who just try to kill you later

.

[JoshuaFH]

Ok guys, you do all know that everything that you've talked about has already been documented, quite thoroughly in fact:

Rubber Band AI

Dynamic Difficulty

and to a lesser extent:

Mercy Mode

Easy Mode Mockery

the opposite of this is:

Unstable Equilibrium

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

My point was that anyone going easy on you--another human, or the game's programming--is a less satisfying way to play than if the difficulty gets cranked all the way up, so increasing the difficulty is a valid reward for good play.  Kind of a winding path to follow from the spoilery place where

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

you're saving people who just try to kill you later

.

Let's put it this way.  If you make something and it tastes good do you think you're a bad cook?

[Sowelu]

Only if my roommates require that I use premade cookie dough because I've made awful cookies in the past.

And chaoticjosh, I can't even COUNT the number of hours I've wasted on tvtropes.

[Yanlin]

Ok guys, you do all know that everything that you've talked about has already been documented, quite thoroughly in fact:

Rubber Band AI

Dynamic Difficulty

and to a lesser extent:

Mercy Mode

Easy Mode Mockery

the opposite of this is:

Unstable Equilibrium

Gotta love that site.

[JoshuaFH]

And chaoticjosh, I can't even COUNT the number of hours I've wasted on tvtropes.

Same here bro!

[Granite26]

IMHO, the trick is to allow past failure/success to have a NONEXPONENTIAL effect on the later game.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Only if my roommates require that I use premade cookie dough because I've made awful cookies in the past.

And chaoticjosh, I can't even COUNT the number of hours I've wasted on tvtropes.

I win!

[Okenido]

There is no easy mode for Warcraft III.

[Sowelu]

Now THAT'S a fact.  I encountered WCIII in a cybercafe one time.  I figured, "Meh, I want to learn this game, lemme put it on easy and figure out how to build stuff".

Dead in two minutes.  Didn't see the point in bothering after that.

[Servant Corps]

I seen the automatic scaling in Fable, and I liked it, I guess. Maybe the auto-levelling of enemies was broken though.

[Sowelu]

Final Fantasy Tactics is (IMO) a particularly un-fun implementation of auto scaling.  Never quite got how it worked but it seemed to be something like:  "Wow, those mages are beating me up!  Let me level up one archer really hard, so she can smack them down...  Uh, now all my enemies are the same level of my archer, and my other guys are lagging behind.  Damn."

[JoshuaFH]

FF tactics was a little odd, because IIRC only the generics followed the auto-scaling, while the story enemies did not. This lead to the unusual scenario where you've maxed out your characters, and you run into all these nobody generic characters that are all stronger than the final boss.

[Servant Corps]

And in a game company that prides on the fact that Losing is Fun, you guys are complaining?

I'd love to see messed-up games like that.