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[beorn080]

I definately need practice with this. Started playing UFO:AI, and the first mission I managed to, a. Torch one of my men with a flamethrower, b. shoot one of my men with a rifle, and c. blow up two of my men with a grenade. Great fun.

[Sergius]

Look. It's just my view. I never had to deal with 'destrucible' terrian. If it is there, okay. But it isn't, I'm not going to scream.

The point is that X-Com always had destructible walls and floors. For most X-Com fans, this is a requirement in clones/remakes.

Nobody is saying that every squad based game has to have destructible terrain.

[Sowelu]

Look. It's just my view. I never had to deal with 'destrucible' terrian. If it is there, okay. But it isn't, I'm not going to scream.

The point is that X-Com always had destructible walls and floors. For most X-Com fans, this is a requirement in clones/remakes.

Nobody is saying that every squad based game has to have destructible terrain.

This.  In fact, if you ask most gamers "Name a game with destructable terrain", they'll say "X-Com".  Or "Red Faction" if they're jerks.  It's what set the game apart from every other game in its DECADE.  It's not X-Com without the ability to remove inconvenient walls.

[dreiche2]

Well, uh... I wouldn't go as far as that, to say that the only thing that makes X-com special is the destructible terrain, really...

It's just for if you play a remake of a game ten years later, it's weird when a relatively distinctive feature like that is missing. It's no big deal really.

Plus, indestructible terrain leads to silly situations like this: When I played Ufo:AI a while ago, on farm maps when I tried to hit enemies behind fences that just consisted just of a single thin wooden railing, the shot would always hit that small wooden railing instead... even when shooting from a window a level above 

Probably to be classified as a bug, but it wouldn't be so much of a problem when that stupid fence would just break...

[Rilder]

* Rilder is reminded of the silent storm mission where you have to extract some stuff from this building and its filled with explosives and if you hit one of them the whole building explodes failing the mission.

[beorn080]

I must agree that the indestructible terrain is annoying. It definately feels like a game where things should be getting blown up. I've had office chairs stop flamethrower attacks.

Edit: I must ask. What is an economical way to take down a UFO early game? I have a feeling that swarming them would work but that takes significant time and resources. Any easier/cheaper ways.

[a1s]

That depends on the UFO. scouts (small,medium and even large, tough there might be some heavy damage) can be taken down with a single Interceptor with stingrays and auto-cannons (hat you start out with). I doubt even 4 of those could take down a battleship. So, my advice is: pick your fights.

[Aqizzar]

I've recently been playing X-COM and Terror from the Depths to see the differences between the two.  They are of course essentially the exact same game, with one giant exception.

In X-COM, the aliens never, ever use grenades.  Commanders might, occasionally, use their blaster launchers, which is the only alien explosive weapon.

In TftD, the aliens are fucking grenade masters, and now have their own version of the rocket launcher, and aren't afraid to use both.  I've been losing at least three soldiers a turn.  The worst (which I had to reload from) was when a grenade took out the tank, the sergeant, and three other soldiers.  Then the HE/autocannon guy panicked and killed two other people, and two more froze in place.  The four survivors spent the next two turns alternately moving until they were all sniped off.  Complete failure.

[beorn080]

The game calls them harvesters with 15 speed, so I assume they are the smaller type of UFO. I decided to set up a intercept base to house 8 interceptors eventually while my workshop base pumps out sellables and armaments so I can afford those interceptors.

[Aqizzar]

That is a complete waste of cash.  I've never found more than two Interceptors to be necessary at any given base.  Right now I've got six bases ringed around the world.  Three of them are actual manned facilities with two Interceptors and a Skyranger each, and the original base doubles as my manufacturing facility.  A base on the Falkland Islands houses all my researchers.  I've got two more fighter stations in the Andes and the Congo (which the aliens may have found), and I'll probably build the last two in India and the Arctic.

[beorn080]

Yeah, it probably is a waste. Way I figure it is that with 8 of em I run little risk of losing one each time they go out. Meh, I'm still trying to figure out how a mob can take 3 airburst grenades to the face and not drop. Seen that happen a couple of times.

[Nirur Torir]

Edit: I must ask. What is an economical way to take down a UFO early game? I have a feeling that swarming them would work but that takes significant time and resources. Any easier/cheaper ways.

I assume you're talking about UFO: AI, as an interceptor with dual Avalanche missiles is enough for any small ufo in X-Com 1. You'll need to manually control the helicopters to dodge the missiles if you want them to live. I like using two helicopters each armed with three missile launchers and two ECMs. Manual control and save/load abuse cuts down dramatically on casualties.

Mind you, I keep getting distracted with UFO: AI, and have never gotten very far, so I assume that better strategies are needed against harder ufos.

[mendonca]

I've recently been playing X-COM and Terror from the Depths to see the differences between the two.  They are of course essentially the exact same game, with one giant exception.

There I was thinking you were going to say the Heavy Thermic Lance!

The weapon of choice against the lobstermen.

[Mephansteras]

I've recently been playing X-COM and Terror from the Depths to see the differences between the two.  They are of course essentially the exact same game, with one giant exception.

In X-COM, the aliens never, ever use grenades.  Commanders might, occasionally, use their blaster launchers, which is the only alien explosive weapon.

In TftD, the aliens are fucking grenade masters, and now have their own version of the rocket launcher, and aren't afraid to use both.  I've been losing at least three soldiers a turn.  The worst (which I had to reload from) was when a grenade took out the tank, the sergeant, and three other soldiers.  Then the HE/autocannon guy panicked and killed two other people, and two more froze in place.  The four survivors spent the next two turns alternately moving until they were all sniped off.  Complete failure.

I just got the new release of all the x-com games off of steam ($15 dollars for 5 games, not bad). And, interestingly, they DO use grenades a good bit in X-com with this version. Fortunately, the Sectoids apparently suck at throwing, and are more likely to bomb themselves then my guys. But I'm not looking forward to fighting some of the later aliens. It's going to be painful.

[Soulwynd]

Beware of the floater cannons.


Right now in apoc, I have those blue aliens with the jumper/smart bombs. They go crazy with them.

I get some with launchers too.