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[Soulwynd]

I tend to burn them down when needed. >.>

[dreiche2]

Well in any case, being able to blow up walls adds tactical options (open passageways to walk through or for targeting enemies), some realism (see rocket against wooden wall example), and it's simply more fun if you can lay waste to buildings etc.

So yeah I agree that it's a pity that this is missing from the remake...

[Sowelu]

A big part of X-Com, for new players, is getting to that first terror mission and going "Oh god, look at all those huge aliens and there's civvies everywhere..." which quickly turns to "That sectoid is standing right next to a GAS PUMP >:3"

And seriously, if there's four aliens in a wooden barn?  That's time to break out the incendiaries and high explosives.  No, it's not overkill.  Not at all.

Same with aliens hiding amongst trees, or behind a hedge.  Because seriously, plasma cannon versus a hedge.  In general, in X-Com 1, you rarely fight in cities, never fight near skyscrapers, and obstacles are often simple plant matter.  You can crouch behind a fence and maybe if you're lucky it'll block one shot for you before getting blown away, but seriously...invulnerable white picket fence?  No.

[Mephansteras]

I agree, the ability to destroy cover is part of what makes X-com so much fun. Just this morning I was playing a jungle mission. Nothing like autocannons with high explosive rounds to clear out the underbrush!

I'm ticked, though. It was an attack on a large ship that had landed, and I managed to get through the fight with my least experienced, worst equipped group with only 4 losses. And then the game crashed. Arrrg.

[Granite26]

Assuming ya'll are still talking about the free, open source one that's still in developement... Remember, it's a free, open source one that's... errr... still in development...

[Boksi]

>:3

JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION! GET IN THE CAR!

[Servant Corps]

Meh, I don't know. I blew entire HQs up in Mercs1 for giggles, but I don't really care that much about blowing bushes up in hopes of stopping snipers. You already got savescum.

[Sowelu]

Assuming ya'll are still talking about the free, open source one that's still in developement... Remember, it's a free, open source one that's... errr... still in development...

If it's built with the Quake 2 engine and it uses brushes for the map, then no, it's not going to have destructable terrain.  The engine can't handle it.  .bsp maps, that style, really can't be changed on the fly without screwing up the vistrees.  It would need an entirely different graphics engine.  Though I guess depending on how their view works (if it's always top-down and can't be side-view) they could get away with full vis...

You REALLY can't change one brush into another though, making them disappear alone would be a stretch.  And if each tile had to be a separate 3d object you'd start to get performance issues.  I mean I haven't played the game but their actual MAPS aren't tile based, right?  Just the grid that critters walk on?  That would be a large change, and you'd need a lot more metadata just to know how to break things down gracefully!

Honestly, it really really doesn't sound like they'll ever have it.  Total, total engine rewrite, and map recreates from the ground up--into a form that will look worse (before they get blown up anyway).

[Granite26]

someone will do it eventually, although probably by taking walls out of the map and making them objects

[Servant Corps]

Have anybody thought of having no objects whatsoever? Just a wide plain, with no cover, allowing for both the Xenos and the Humans to attack?

[Sowelu]

someone will do it eventually, although probably by taking walls out of the map and making them objects

Yeah...I could see them doing that, and that wouldn't be a HUGE stretch, but I don't know how much Quake 2 likes having large numbers of complex models.

The ground could still be indestructable.

[Granite26]

would have issues with stacks and floors too...

[Sergius]

Why do you want to blow buildings up? Especially since if you return back to the area once the aliens reinvade the same territory, the buildings will magically repair itself, meaning you got to blow it back up?

First of all, the original X-Com series doesn't magically repair buildings. You're technically never twice in the same spot, as the map is randomly generated (all farms look slightly different). Even in Apocalypse visiting the same building you get a different layout (it's more like a city block than a single building, so you may be visiting another part of the block). Also, damaged buildings DO get rebuilt over time.

Second: why would you want to blow up a building? That is a very valid question, but it's a strawman: nobody says you HAVE to blow it, if you don't want to blow it, you have to be careful (just because I don't want to burn my house down doesn't mean it's magically fireproof).

[Servant Corps]

Why do you want to blow buildings up? Especially since if you return back to the area once the aliens reinvade the same territory, the buildings will magically repair itself, meaning you got to blow it back up?

First of all, the original X-Com series doesn't magically repair buildings. You're technically never twice in the same spot, as the map is randomly generated (all farms look slightly different). Even in Apocalypse visiting the same building you get a different layout (it's more like a city block than a single building, so you may be visiting another part of the block). Also, damaged buildings DO get rebuilt over time.

Second: why would you want to blow up a building? That is a very valid question, but it's a strawman: nobody says you HAVE to blow it, if you don't want to blow it, you have to be careful (just because I don't want to burn my house down doesn't mean it's magically fireproof).

I don't see why terrian being destrucible is needed. People are stating that it's a great idea to level entire buildings to kill snipers and that's it's okay to blow up a couple of bushes so that you get a better position.

I...don't seem to like that at all. It just doesn't sound good to me that you destroy buildings with impunity and that it's tactically wise to do so. That's all. It's my own personal view.

Look. It's just my view. I never had to deal with 'destrucible' terrian. If it is there, okay. But it isn't, I'm not going to scream.

[Okenido]

It also makes the battlefield look nicer, and adds realism to the game.