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Nikov

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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #510 on: May 12, 2010, 03:26:12 pm »

I was told to write a story today... and I had an irresistable urge to write the whole thing in announcements messages...  :P

I actually did this. The teacher praised me for "letting the reader imagine the story themselves."

As cool as that sounds, this teacher is what is wrong with the education system. I mean, if you were told to paint a picture, and turned in a blank canvas and paint supplies at the end of the week, would you still earn praise? Although strictly speaking, that's a modern art sculpture. And that's what's wrong with modern art.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #511 on: May 12, 2010, 04:34:03 pm »

I mean, if you were told to paint a picture, and turned in a blank canvas and paint supplies at the end of the week, would you still earn praise? Although strictly speaking, that's a modern art sculpture. And that's what's wrong with modern art.
I (kind of) did this once for art class. I made a basic and rudimentary structure to which the audience was allowed to do whatever it wanted. I also added a letter to the audience wherein I stated my beliefs about it. I find that something you created never is completely finished. But as a mortal being, you don't have the time to continue with your work indefinitely. By letting the audience continue where the artist(s) left off, I wanted to show the people that you don't have to be a 'stereotypical' artist to be an artist. In that case, everything you do with the sculpture was the making of or participating in art. Even when doing nothing, you contribute (that's another of my views, but that'll be for another time). Modern art is also very prone to the interpretation of the audience. By having the audience participate in the process of making the sculpture, it is now not only the audience that is left in the dark, but also the artist. Or only the artist, seeing as the audience is co-artist.
DISCLAIMER: I'm just saying I did something kind of what you said and why. Not trying to start a flame war.

I also think your analogy isn't completely correct. By writing the text in announcement messages, he provided a base for the reader. He gave them a rudimentary text around which the reader can make their own fantasy about how all of it went down. If it was more like your example, he would have given a bunch of blank papers with a title.

Also: White on white.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #512 on: May 12, 2010, 04:40:30 pm »

I was told to write a story today... and I had an irresistable urge to write the whole thing in announcements messages...  :P

I actually did this. The teacher praised me for "letting the reader imagine the story themselves."

As cool as that sounds, this teacher is what is wrong with the education system. I mean, if you were told to paint a picture, and turned in a blank canvas and paint supplies at the end of the week, would you still earn praise? Although strictly speaking, that's a modern art sculpture. And that's what's wrong with modern art.

I get what you're saying, Nikov, but in this case, the "artist" did make a big contribution of "input". The idea about the blank canvas and the paint supplies, while being a strong statement, I for one wouldn't qualify as art. The "announcement" story, on the other hand, I find to be rather avant-garde.

All art is open to interpretation by the viewer--that's part of it's purpose. In this case, it's just more open than others. Not a bad thing, I feel.

In art, I consider the level of contribution of the artist to be the most deciding factor on what is, and isn't, worthy of the name. For example: An artist who presents a dollar bill and calls it "found modern art" is just being lazy. The same artist who draws a perfect duplicate of a dollar bill, and then presents it as a work of art, would in my opinion, be a real modern artist (and a counterfeiter ofcourse, but what can you do?). The same goes for, say, a Campbell's Soup can. Ofcourse, I'm referencing Andy Warhol here.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #513 on: May 12, 2010, 07:03:55 pm »

I like to think of modern art as being tasteless and boring, there's nothing there to wrap your brain around, it's meaningless form, formless shape, colorless slabs of rock carved into at odd angles, not even usable as furniture because of those spiteful angles.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #514 on: May 12, 2010, 07:16:17 pm »

I like to think of modern art as being tasteless and boring, there's nothing there to wrap your brain around, it's meaningless form, formless shape, colorless slabs of rock carved into at odd angles, not even usable as furniture because of those spiteful angles.

Exactly. Which just goes to show that art is open to interpretation.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #515 on: May 13, 2010, 03:03:06 pm »

Because of dwarf fortress I've developed cave adaptation.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #516 on: May 13, 2010, 06:12:03 pm »

Because of dwarf fortress I've developed cave adaptation.
I already had Cave adaption.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #517 on: May 13, 2010, 06:19:17 pm »

I like to think of modern art as being tasteless and boring, there's nothing there to wrap your brain around, it's meaningless form, formless shape, colorless slabs of rock carved into at odd angles, not even usable as furniture because of those spiteful angles.
Yeah. I read this story that someone submitted a bust to a modern art exhibition, but was rejected. He took the sculpture off and left the stand there. When he came back, people were admiring the empty sculpture stand.

Modern art is basically code for "artist interpretation by morons."
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #518 on: May 13, 2010, 06:24:57 pm »

Modern art, is, most of the time, a way for talentless people to get rich whilst people can feel all artsy and intellectual when they are saying bullshit.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #519 on: May 13, 2010, 07:29:39 pm »

Because of dwarf fortress I've developed cave adaptation.
I already had Cave adaption.

I used to get just enough sunlight to prevent it. not anymore.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #520 on: May 13, 2010, 07:36:52 pm »

I like to think of modern art as being tasteless and boring, there's nothing there to wrap your brain around, it's meaningless form, formless shape, colorless slabs of rock carved into at odd angles, not even usable as furniture because of those spiteful angles.
Modern art is, some might argue, more engaging. Where, in classical paintings, you can generally tell "Oh, that's a picture of a lighthouse on a cliff," modern art is largely an interpretation of a group of colors, kind of like a Rorschach test.

On topic: Because of DF, I spent all of my Applied Tech class (2-hour block period) reading about/making a housing design. Luckily, I can already type > 40 WPM, so I didn't have any work I was supposed to be doing.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #521 on: May 13, 2010, 09:14:20 pm »

.... I think of the possibilities of underground development every time I see a quarter acre patch of bare ground.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #522 on: May 13, 2010, 10:13:43 pm »

...I designed a method of a cannibal city, all they eat is meat. I have 24 pages of rules and regulations and a map of the country and surrounding islands I based the main population as short,sturdy people with VERY long beards(as when I said 'dwarf' everyone would probably think of 'Snow White') The only issue I ran into was proper Animal Husbandry.
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #523 on: May 14, 2010, 02:09:38 am »

Because of dwarf fortress i wonder why people were being chased by an iron man on teminator 2
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Re: Because of Dwarf Fortress...
« Reply #524 on: May 14, 2010, 06:28:04 am »

I have cave adaption.
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