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[A_Fey_Dwarf]

I am happy with there being workshops, the point I was trying to make is that this mod isn't 100% realistic. It is a fantasy styled ant mod where the ants are a little bit more civilized than they should be (think crappy Disney movie crossed with Rambo).  Maybe the weapons/armor are a bit to much though, maybe they should all just be wrestlers...

[DennyTom]

... and spit acid, though I'm not sure how you'd model that.

Instead of crosbows you could equip your warriors with spitting, instead of sword you could equip them with biting, etc.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

Sounds brilliant, just to train in a certain area you need to have a weapon equipped. I suppose I could make the weapon called 'use teeth' but I would still have to forge iron 'use teeth' or copper 'use teeth' for the ant to equip it. I am sure I can figure out a work around.

Anyway here is my basic ant:

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[OBJECT:CREATURE]
[CREATURE:ANT]
[NAME:ant:ants:ant]
[TILE:1][COLOR:3:0:0]
[BUTCHERABLE_NONSTANDARD]
[BENIGN]
[TRANCES]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[PREFSTRING:amazing strength]
[SPEED:500]
[BODY:ARMED_INSECTIOD:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH][NOSKULL][NOBONES]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:SECONDARY:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:4:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[CHILD:3][BABY:1][LITTERSIZE:4:8]
[DAMBLOCK:5]
[BLOODTYPE:W][CHITIN]
[MAXAGE:20:30]
[SIZE:3]
[FAT:1]
[EQUIPS]
[CAVE_ADAPT]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[LAYERING:50]
[SWIMS_LEARNED][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[PERSONALITY:ASSERTIVENESS:0:25:100]
[PERSONALITY:ACTIVITY_LEVEL:50:80:100]
[PERSONALITY:DUTIFULNESS:50:70:100]
[PERSONALITY:ORDERLINESS:40:75:100]

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[BODY:ARMED_INSECTIOD]
[BP:UB:cephalothorax][HEAD][UPPERBODY]
[BP:LB:abdomen][CON:UB][LOWERBODY]
[BP:RA1:right first leg][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT]
[BP:LA1:left first leg][CON:UB][LIMB][LEFT]
[BP:RF1:right first foot][CON:RA1][STANCE][RIGHT]
[BP:LF1:left first foot][CON:LA1][STANCE][LEFT]
[BP:RA2:right second leg][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT]
[BP:LA2:left second leg][CON:UB][LIMB][LEFT]
[BP:RF2:right second foot][CON:RA2][STANCE][RIGHT]
[BP:LF2:left second foot][CON:LA2][STANCE][LEFT]
[BP:RUA:right upper arm][CON:UB][LIMB][RIGHT]
[BP:LUA:left upper arm][CON:UB][LIMB][LEFT]
[BP:RLA:right lower arm][CON:RUA][LIMB][RIGHT]
[BP:LLA:left lower arm][CON:LUA][LIMB][LEFT]
[BP:RH:right hand][CON:RLA][GRASP][RIGHT]
[BP:LH:left hand][CON:LLA][GRASP][LEFT]


I was thinking of making it a fast moving, fast breeding species that makes up for it's size in numbers. The attacks there are just place holders for now until I figure out this whole weapon thing.

[Mephansteras]

Maybe you could have them be civilized enough to equip things like 'mandible blades' or 'leg spikes'. That would solve the iron/copper/whatever issue.

[NewMartianEmperor]

Maybe GCS can be renamed to CS, bit what would become of the regular cave spiders? Also, maybe the humans should be replaced by carpenter ants. On a related note, I feel that termites are rather fitting for goblins, seeing as they both build relatively big towers to live in, are weaker then their opponents and are smaller too.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

Yeah I am happy with the termite idea. I have made them smaller than our ants but faster breeding.
Anyway I am happy with how I have fashioned the insect armor.
e.g.

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[OBJECT:ITEM]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_SHELLING_HEAVY]
[NAME:shelling:shelling]
[PREPLURAL:layers of]
[MATERIAL_PLACEHOLDER:heavy chitin]
[WEIGHT:150]
[VALUE:100]
[ARMORLEVEL:3]
[MAINBLOCK:90]
[SECONDBLOCK:50]
[UBSTEP:1]
[LBSTEP:1]
[SHAPED]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:20]
[LAYER_PERMIT:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:9]
[LEATHER]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_SHELLING_MEDIUM]
[NAME:shelling:shelling]
[PREPLURAL:layers of]
[MATERIAL_PLACEHOLDER:medium chitin]
[WEIGHT:100]
[VALUE:66]
[ARMORLEVEL:2]
[MAINBLOCK:60]
[SECONDBLOCK:30]
[UBSTEP:1]
[LBSTEP:1]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:20]
[LAYER_PERMIT:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:6]
[LEATHER]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_SHELLING_LIGHT]
[NAME:shelling:shelling]
[PREPLURAL:layers of]
[MATERIAL_PLACEHOLDER:light chitin]
[WEIGHT:50]
[VALUE:33]
[ARMORLEVEL:1]
[MAINBLOCK:30]
[SECONDBLOCK:20]
[UBSTEP:1]
[LBSTEP:1]
[SHAPED]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:20]
[LAYER_PERMIT:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[LEATHER]

I have decided to forgo any use of metal in the mod (it will still be there but be pretty much useless except for moods). Instead all insects will drop chitin when butchered which can essentially be used for the armoring of other insects.

[woose1]

Go ahead and use chitin for weapons too. Whats the worst that could happen? 

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

The thing is that the [LEATHER] tag can't be used for weapons. So what I might have to do is create a reaction to turn leather (uses same tag as chitin) into hardened chitin at a smelter works which I could also use as a 'metal' for the armor.

The only problem is that I have never done anything like this before.
I assume it would be something along the lines of this:

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[REACTION:HARDENED_CHITIN_MAKING]
[NAME:temper chitin]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:2:SKIN_TANNED:NO_SUBTYPE:LEATHER:NO_MATGLOSS]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:HARDENED_CHITIN]
[FUEL]


[Aqizzar]

As long as HARDENED_CHITIN actually exists, and you control what creatures can make leather, it should work fine.

[Granite26]

can you have smelting reactions with no reagents?

Then you could define a material 'use' that doesn't occur naturally and make 'use' claws and 'use' teeth

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

Good idea, but i don't think it will work very well. What I have done at the moment is the default non-military ant has 6 legs and uses the body part 'jaws' to pick up stuff. However when I wish to recruit an ant into the military it can pick up a set of hardened chitin mandibles with it's 'jaws' and use that as it's weapon. The mandible will become the ant's 'jaws' until of coarse it drops them. There are five types of mandibles to equip, digging(replace pick), pointed(replace spear), slashing (replace sword), crushing (replace hammer), cutting(replace axe).

However with only one grasping body part will an ant be able to say pick up a stone while holding onto digging mandibles? I am pretty sure it will work considering hunters with a shield and crossbow in vanilla can still drag their kills to the butchery.

[woose1]

Yes, hauled works differently, and people can hold multiple things in their hands.

[Shakma]

. . . and spit acid, though I'm not sure how you'd model that.

Has anyone tried adding the [WEBBER] tag to an opponent civ and then adding something like
[SILK_FIXED_TEMP:15000] [SILK_BOILING_POINT:14000] or
[SILK_FIXED_TEMP:5000] [SILK_BOILING_POINT:4000]

I imagine the first would look somewhat like a flamethrower (and sort of like spitting burning acid) and the second like a freezing deathcloud.  Probably would cause problems with random traders blowing up from silk clothing but maybe this mod it wouldn't with clothing removed and weaver jobs removed.

[Flaede]

. . . and spit acid, though I'm not sure how you'd model that.

Has anyone tried adding the [WEBBER] tag to an opponent civ and then adding something like
[SILK_FIXED_TEMP:15000] [SILK_BOILING_POINT:14000] or
[SILK_FIXED_TEMP:5000] [SILK_BOILING_POINT:4000]

I imagine the first would look somewhat like a flamethrower (and sort of like spitting burning acid) and the second like a freezing deathcloud.  Probably would cause problems with random traders blowing up from silk clothing but maybe this mod it wouldn't with clothing removed and weaver jobs removed.

That's a really cool idea. One question, though. What happens to the CGSman whose silk just caught fire behind him? I think he would burn.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

Great idea but I don't really want to give that to the termites who are currently the fastest breeding yet weakest of the civilization races.

Perhaps that is a better idea for a megabeast or such... Erm how about this? a large and one of the most venomous of scorpions which can also spit venom up to one meter away.