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[PTTG??]

I was going to do a little conservatroll baiting, when I discovered this much more rational goal. I found this on the Aschlafly talk page, where there's allways some entertaining bit of paranoid mania.
Here's what it says:

What am I?

Mr. Aschlafly: I am unsure what one would describe my beliefs as. I was hoping that you would help me. I am not sure I fully understand your beliefs either, but perhaps once we have discussed mine, I can understand where our differences may lie. I look forward to your response, sir.

I believe:
-The government is ideally an organization that, most importantly, has the acceptance of the people.
--It should regulate Law and Order, as well as punishment for crimes.
--It should maintain national infrastructure and utilities. (This includes the availability of roads and power, food and shelter, and even modern or esoteric services that improve universal quality of life, such as medicine, education, management of natural resources, and communication.)
--It should unify national defense and diplomacy.
--It should protect vulnerable groups within it from repression. (Or it risks slavery and holocaust upon the few at the hands of the many.)
--It should NOT impinge on the right of anyone, within or without it, to live as they wish- until this interferes with it's other duties. (The right to be free does not include the right to harm others. This right to free life includes the ability to speak freely, trade fairly, love openly, and even self-destruction, so long as such actions do not harm others.)
--It should do these duties with the greatest of efficiency and must provide them equally. (Thus providing the services it does fairly and with the lowest possible fees or taxes.)
--It should be structured so that it cannot be easily corrupted by a charismatic individual or a powerful conglomerate. (And thus having the potential to become less beneficent.)

-That individuals should know:
--To help others in need, even at great personal cost.
--That happiness and optimism are important parts of life, and that sadness and hard work are too.
--That selfishness for it's own sake is wrong. (i.e., hording money or squandering resources.)
--That self-improvement is a noble goal. (Saving money for retirement, development of skills.)
--That self-illusion is something that one must always take care to avoid.
--That one knows very little in the great scheme of things.
--That those that disagree with you can very often be right, and very often be wrong.
--That all beliefs that can be proven must be proven, and new ideas must be tested and, if true, accepted.
--That everyone has faults, and these must be forgiven.
--That sometimes laws must be broken for the greater good. (Such as an unemployed mother stealing food, or even something up to civil disobedience in the face of oppression.)
-I also believe many smaller things, but these are the most immediate that to come to mind.

I practice:
-I have never truly harmed someone in anger, though I have fought as a child.
-I have never used illicit drugs, and never intend to.
-I have never smoked tobacco, and never intend to.
-I have never drunk alcohol, and never intend to.
-I vote in every election.
-I donate to charity when I can.
-I practice self-defense.
-I respect tradition and I do not like very much of the modern fads of objectifying women and violent media. I much prefer classical music.
-Many other things, but these are the ones I think are relevant here.

Where you may disagree with me:
-I believe in the separation of Church and State
-I believe in the separation of State and Science
-I believe in the separation of Church and Science
-As such, I think the idea of global warming, or black holes, or oil production theories, as they are scientific ideas, cannot be interpreted as either Liberal or Atheist. Nor can Liberal and Atheist be identified as connected.
-I think that evolution is the best explanation of the life, and can be observed in the natural world and in simulations.
-I think that there are dangers in humanity overpopulating the world, and that the best way to prevent this is encouraging smaller families- not abortions.
-Similarly, I think that human industry has lead to climate change, and very well could make life unpleasant or difficult.
-I don't think that my country, the US, is as good as it could be, or the 'best' country in the world.
-I feel that the constitution, while an inspiring document, can and should be improved to be more accurate and relevant to the modern world.
-In a particular sense, firearms should be limited; while it makes sense for a citizen to have access to handguns and hunting rifles, anything else, such as automatic rifles and machine guns, has no place in civilian's hands, as they can only be used against others and are not intended for self-defense.
-I believe that religion, atheism, deism, and so on, should all be equally protected.
-I believe that capitalism and communism have serious faults, and that the united states has not reached the peak of possible social advancement.

Now that you know where I stand, please tell me, am I a liberal, or a conservative, or a neutral?

-Joe G

Although, Joe here doesn't go into support for abortion, apparently. I don't so much like classical music myself. What would you call his position, though? I'm pretty sure it's liberal. I wonder if Andy's going to treat him seriously or just ban him and erase his own talk page. He's done it before.

[Kagus]

Looks pretty damn close to sense to me.  Call it that.

Well, the idea of letting people do whatever they bleedin' well want, so long as it does not hurt others sounds like what my dad told me about Libertarianism.  But the party doesn't really represent the ideals...  I suppose you might be able to say that about the others as well.


Perhaps he's a Ron Paulian?  I wouldn't really know what to call this.


By the way, here's the acid test to see if you really don't like classical music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQTTFUtMSvQ

(Frankly, I don't consider myself a fan of classical music either.  But this song, especially when played in a sad way, always gets to me).

[andrea]

i don't know much about US politics.

but i think that he is just a person intelligent enough to have an opinion and then look for the party that fits better, instead of doing the opposite thing.
and that is always a good thing. look a part for youe view of the world, not a view of the world for your party.

and from what i read, he seem a nice person and on most points i agree, and i respect and understand the ones on which i disagree (if there are any: remembering is too hard when it is time to go to bed).

[PTTG??]

The Response:

     You look like a liberal to me. Do you object to my leading a public school class of students in prayer, where every student wants to pray with me? I bet you do object. Do you vote for candidates who support taxpayer-funded abortion? I bet you do. Enough said.--Andy Schlafly 17:13, 25 January 2009 (EST)

        Well, what I said was, if it does not harm others, than it is protected. I don't think prayer would harm students. So, if they where all willing, I can't see why not. As I said, abortion is not the solution. Please, I wish to learn more about what you believe, so don't push me away. I'm sure you get lots of people baiting you into attacking them, but that is not my meaning. I would like to hear more about what you really think about my views. JoeGrousbeck 17:39, 25 January 2009 (EST)

                Joe, stop wasting my time. You ducked my two simple points, refusing to fully answer my questions. Contribute to this encyclopedia, or move on. Thanks.--Andy Schlafly 17:55, 25 January 2009 (EST)

So what does Andy mean here? Is liberalism a disease now?

Joe responds:

Sir, I responded to your questions; I said, No, I do not object to prayer in school, and No, I do not knowingly vote for taxpayer-supported abortion, though I've been surprised before. A certain local county supervisor that it would be best not to named flipped in office. Look, I'm sorry if I'm wasting your time, I'm in no rush to hear back from you, as I'm just checking in while I'm here. I'm right now working on an article on some internet organizations that corrupt the morals of minors. JoeGrousbeck 18:05, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Well, I have to disagree with Joe about abortion here, but that's a sensitive area- what exactly you think a fetus is, is more of a philosphical question. Less esoterically, what defines a "willing" classroom? How can an athiest student be free to believe what he or she wants when the teacher makes them pray every morning? What I find distasteful about Andy is the bleakness of his views; dissagree with him by one iota, and you're an enemy... really, it's sad.

Andy talks back again!

Joe, county supervisors do not generally pay for abortion. Your "knowingly" qualifier is silly, and I specifically asked you whether you voted "for candidates who support taxpayer-funded abortion." Talk, talk, talk, and you still haven't answered the question. Suit yourself, but I'm moving on. Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 18:21, 25 January 2009 (EST)

[Jude]

This Andy guy looks like he's never been laid, never will, knows it, and is bitter

[Pandarsenic]

This Andy guy looks like he's never been laid, never will, knows it, and is bitter

QFT

[Captain Hat]

He's rather scary looking

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[Cheeetar]

Conservapedia.com is down it seems. Rejoice from the rooftops.

[PTTG??]

I did nothing! It's divine intervention!

[inaluct]

Amen!

Anyway, this Andy dude clearly has something wrong with him other than his political views. I mean, seriously wrong.

He might have schizophrenia.

[Wooty]

I think that Andy guy pretty much sums up the two party system. Blindly agree with most if not all of your party's viewpoints and anyone who doesn't is the enemy. That's pretty much what politics has turned into in the U.S. 

[Cajoes]

Don't forget the horrible irrational screaming fear of... socialism.

[Wooty]

Edit: deleting a few old comments

[mainiac]

The conservative movement in this country doesn't believe in conservative principles.  They believe in using cynical politics to force their vision of morality on everyone. 
Take abortion.  Excluding the Recreational Institute of Aborting Americana, we all want fewer abortions.  Certainly stuff like partial birth abortion is an affront to human dignity.  But is chanting "baby killers" really going to make the number of abortions go down? 
They say it's murder, but they certainly don't act that way.  If close to a million people are getting murdered a year, we should stop at nothing to correct that.  Surely, supporting comprehensive sex education and the plentiful abundance of condoms would be small price to pay.  Remember, hundreds of thousands of murders would be prevented.
But no, those who chant "baby killers" will instead support the politicians who want to criminalize abortion, even though they oppose the birth control and welfare policies which could actually make the abortion rate go down.  Excuse me, I'll be crying in the corner at how you value your "christian values" over the lives of millions.

The "principles" that the conservative movement is calling for a return to these days have no appeal to me.  They don't have a dream for a better society, they have a dream of a better attack ad.  Honestly, the democrats seem to respect what I think are conservative values a lot better then the republicans at this point.

The last republican I could have vote for was Wayne Gilchrest.  It wasn't because he was a "centrist", it was because he cared about being a good house member more then being a good party member.  I didn't agree with everything he supported, but I could trust his judgement.  But Gilchest lost his seat in 2008, replaced by a democrat.  The democrats didn't beat him though, he was too popular for that to ever happen.  Gilchrest lost in a primary challenge to a Republican who said he wasn't conservative enough.

[Karlito]

The conservative movement in America is based on feelings of victimization and anger, which is why I think I'll never fully understand or even respect it.  The conservative base doesn't want reason, they want emotion.  That's why you see things like people chanting "Baby killers!"  It provides an outlet for their dissatisfaction with their own life while at the same time providing the belief that conservative policies will fix their lives.  The whole philosophy is at its core selfish and not conducive to building a working society.