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Railick Stonemane

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Re: Clay?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2008, 07:42:00 pm »

glass would be good for making bolts, having something that shatters once it goes into someone's body would certainly be useful (maybe have the tip of the arrow still be metal but the shaft glass so that it breaks after piercing) A glass spear would be of similar use. Depending on the thickness of glass and what you put in it you can actually get really strong glass (Think bullett proof) It would be really good defense against slashing and piercing weapons since it wouldn't rip or tear it would just crack and keep the blow from going through. However, with a crushing weapon like a hammer it wouldn't really stop the force of the blow from shattering your bones or exploding your internal organs. Maybe have dwarves be able to mix glass making with metal strands to improve its strength ? :P If you think glass would make a poor armor try to break a security window with a sword blade  and see how far you get.
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Re: Clay?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2008, 08:47:00 pm »

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If you think glass would make a poor armor try to break a security window with a sword blade and see how far you get.
If you think glass would make good armor, wear some and fight a guy with a mace.

There are many things I'd like to see doable with glass - practice bolts and barrels being chief among them.  I'm more than willing to wait until Toady gets reactions going at the kiln though.  I think that and a general "collect material" task (like collect sand, 'cept it asks you where to get the stuff) should satisfy anyone in this thread.  If you want item X out of material Y, you can add it in or ask a modder for help.

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Re: Clay?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2008, 10:38:00 pm »

Shattering glass bolts might sound good in theory, but they would at least suck goat at hunting.

Imagine trying to eat a bear packed to the gills with glass shards. Armok would be amused at least.

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Railick Stonemane

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Re: Clay?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2008, 11:44:00 am »

Certainly bad or hunting, but a glass ballista bolt or a giant glass orb for the catapult with certainly make your goblin invaders think twice about coming near your fort again.
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Re: Clay?
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2008, 03:12:00 pm »

For the record, as mentioned elsewhere in the thread obsidian is a kind of naturally occurring glass. The obsidian short swords in the game most likely resemble a macuahuitl, which was more akin to a bladed club studded with pieces of razor-sharp obsidian than a whole blade made out of glass. (Which would be stupid and probably break within a few swings.) In any case, tools and weapons made with glass edges should wear down quickly, but be terribly lethal while they're intact.

Obsidian is used in scalpel blades today for the same reason it made fantastic arrowheads and tools thousands of years ago. While our ancestors didn't know it, glass - obsidian being a popular and naturally occurring variety thereof - is an brittle amorphous solid. This means that the material isn't limited by its own crystalline structure, and can be worn or compressed down into shapes that would be impossibly thin for other materials. The way it naturally fractures produces these incredibly thin, incredibly sharp edges, making obsidian and other glasses ideal for making pointy objects of the finest quality with relatively little effort. When it comes to being sharp, objects made from glass will have that in spades.

The problem is that glass is brittle, and tougher glass-like materials like bulletproof glass require special treatment processes and substances that wouldn't appear in Dwarf Fortress. This limits the usefulness of glass in objects like armor, where in most cases they'd be worse than useless. Arrowheads and bolts could be made with glass and would be remarkably lethal if only because they're so sharp. (Not just because they could shatter, but because they'd slice through flesh like a hot knife through cold butter.) Low-durability knives and the club-like obsidian short swords should be options as well, in addition to glass-headed spears, but the key there is durability. They'd be amazing for a few strikes, more if you're careful or if the target lacks armor, but quickly lose their finish and require replacement after striking something hard a few times too many.

Oh, and as for the clay bit, now that kaolinite is in the game, making porcelain is definitely possible. I say go for it.

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