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[Immortal]

Well just so you know I don't actually believe this, personally I don't give two shits who did what since its in the states. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about that movie.
 
@ Aqizzar I actually laughed when I read your pants on head comment.

[Fishersalwaysdie]

I'm fairly certain 9/11 was an inside job, if not, they used it quite skillfully. Also soon after that there was that antrax-delivered-by-mail thing that supplemented 9/11 at making America feel unsecure and ready to agree on the war.
I don't see why would a conspiracy leave any physical anomaly on the ruins, having some muslims highjacking a plane and crash into a building wouldn't leave a different trace then a bunch of crazy muslims deciding to highjack a plane and crashing into a building.

This sort of thing only leads people into calling anyone thinking 9/11 was an inside job, a nutjob.

[chaoticag]

The only way it could have been an inside job was if they ignored all evidence leading up to it, which only looks substantial in retrospect, barring the report the FBI got on two strange people who wanted to learn how to just fly a plane without bothering to learn how to land or take off.
You might as well accuse a person of winning a lottery by some secret method.

[Aqizzar]

I'm fairly certain 9/11 was an inside job, if not, they used it quite skillfully. Also soon after that there was that antrax-delivered-by-mail thing that supplemented 9/11 at making America feel unsecure and ready to agree on the war.

The Anthrax thing is still pretty murky, but the record is something like this - a couple of pissed off white guys, one of them with access to a medical research outlet, wanted to personally capitalize on 9/11, and went all Ted Kazynski with Anthrax and mailbombs to make people hate Muslims even more.  The sad part is it worked exactly as intended.

This is ironically one case where there was a genuine coverup, namely to save the FBI the embarrassment of having to acknowledge that a couple of money-hungry researchers were able to sneak Anthrax samples out of a semi-government managed lab and sell it to some irate hicks.

That's pretty much the name of the game for all these events.  The administration did not plan, enact, encourage, or fake terrorists attacks in any way.  What they did do was drop the ball on a mind-boggling scale, that is only believable in the light of their equally epic idiocy in plain sight.  They have spent the past years trying to cover up not complicity, but egregious incompetence and laziness.

[Fishersalwaysdie]

Well, I'm not certain you can guarantee that, but the effect is same nontheless, dead people and willingness to go to war.
It's just stupid to even consider laws of physic as any pointer of a conspiracy.

[Little]

Only thing I find suspicious is how a hijacked passenger plane got into the one of the most heavily guarded airspaces on Earth. I mean, New York isn't exactly defenseless.

[Torak]

Only thing I find suspicious is how a hijacked passenger plane got into the one of the most heavily guarded airspaces on Earth. I mean, New York isn't exactly defenseless.

You do not shoot down a civilian plane over a major city. Ever.

[Little]

Why not? 

[Aqizzar]

...Because, you heartless monster, the need had never come up before.

It might a little hard to realize this, but security and defense people really did think about different threats before 9/11.  They didn't see it coming.  It had never been done before.

[Jreengus]

...Because, you heartless monster, the need had never come up before.

I seem to remember a story of a fighter pilot in WWII who was chasing a German bomber but ran out of bullets, so he rammed the guy's tail with his wing and they both crashed into a town doing about as much damage is if he had just let the guy drop his bombs.

[Aqizzar]

...Because, you heartless monster, the need had never come up before.

I seem to remember a story of a fighter pilot in WWII who was chasing a German bomber but ran out of bullets, so he rammed the guy's tail with his wing and they both crashed into a town doing about as much damage is if he had just let the guy drop his bombs.

And the immense differences between this story of a mindlessly committed fighter pilot in open war over Germany, and a passenger plane only a few minutes out of contact over 21st century New York, is completely lost on you?

[Jreengus]

On second thoughts forget I mentioned it, it seemed appropriate at the time but when it came to trying to respond I floundered around a bit but couldn't really seem to put the point I was making into words.

[Aqizzar]

Well, try again.  I'm curious to see what sort of connection you think those points have, aside from the fact that at some point in human history, airplanes have been shot down over cities.

I don't mean this as an insult.  If you think you have a legitimate point, don't be afraid to try to make it.

[Torak]

Well, try again.  I'm curious to see what sort of connection you think those points have, aside from the fact that at some point in human history, airplanes have been shot down over cities.

I don't mean this as an insult.  If you think you have a legitimate point, don't be afraid to try to make it.

The point is you do not shoot down a Jet over one of the most densely populated cities on the planet without evacuation or any solid knowledge on what it's doing.

[Psyco Jelly]

To let a violent radical go through, the security was either unlucky, idiotic, or in with it. 'Terrorism' is an invention to label people who are against the US government.

Yes, Terrorism is a hoax created by the US Government. It didn't exist before in the world at all, in the form of local religious fanatics crucifying people of other faiths in their localities in order to convert them or destroy them.

I meant that it is being used to label those against the government, and has become so general of a term that I just find the whole concept distasteful. The term 'terrorism' is currently being used by the government as whatever they decide to define it as, and as such has become very politically charged.

I Let's just be glad that it's not to the level of the inquisition.