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[Hummingbird]

Does anyone know whether the Mac port to the new version will come out at the same time as the Windows version?

[DFAddict]

I can't take it... gonna.. go.. insane... Can't wait for the update. I sure hope Toady isn't dead. That would put quite a damper on my obsession with this game.

[CobaltKobold]

That'll basically be up to Toady. One might come out sooner simply because he needs to compile one first.
The Thraddash!?
also might depend on whether he merges in 40d# before releasing.

To All: Toady posted like, yesterday in his getwellcard thread.

[quinnr]

What is a Thraddash?
I randomly highlight posts on forums while I read them...

[SirPenguin]

To All: Toady posted like, yesterday in his getwellcard thread.

That was over 4 days ago. Toady is obviously fine and has logged onto the forums every now and then. But yeah.

[dorf]

Does anyone know whether the Mac port to the new version will come out at the same time as the Windows version?

IIRC, Toady wants to put them all out at once.

[Neonivek]

As for the Ark project it didn't take me long to find several problems with it (In fact it took one submission with 4 different animals who were all exactly alike with the same name)

It has a very real chance of becoming noise or having Suikoden Food Names.

Also very few of the member lists actually participate in the forum or are even REALLY members anymore. Just look at the "Most members online". So saying "If everyone participated" is exactly like saying "If I could get my imaginary friends AND my multiple personalities to help".

[Areyar]

What is a Thraddash?
I randomly highlight posts on forums while I read them...

It is an alien sentient creature native to an iconic space adventure game. They physically resemble rhinomen. They only respect deadly force. Also they must be extremely smart and resillient, because they have survived and thrived through nineteen cycles of stoneage->industrial->nuclear annihilation.
...or they are just too stubborn to die.
Their spaceships are propelled by napalm afterburners and are armed with a peashooter missile rack.
All races had a nice MOD soundtrack (even on PC internal speakers!) in this game and the Traddash had one of the nicest.
Oh and they smoke sigars, it won't kill them any faster than the radioactive wastelands will.

[CobaltKobold]

(And they are Footkerchief's new avatar.)
"Suikoden food names"?

[Neonivek]

(And they are Footkerchief's new avatar.)
"Suikoden food names"?

In Suikoden for no reason they have real life international food.

Though that alone doesn't mean much... But it for example describes this as: "Chinese food", "French Food", and other countries despite the fact that the game does not take place on earth. It would be like having a style of food called "Ardania Style" in real life.

As for Foot's new Avatar. It reminds me of Space Quest

[Footkerchief]

Does anyone know whether the Mac port to the new version will come out at the same time as the Windows version?

We have every indication that the 40d# merge will happen, so yes, probably.

All races had a nice MOD soundtrack (even on PC internal speakers!) in this game and the Traddash had one of the nicest.

Yeah, their theme music fits them just right.

Though that alone doesn't mean much... But it for example describes this as: "Chinese food", "French Food", and other countries despite the fact that the game does not take place on earth. It would be like having a style of food called "Ardania Style" in real life.

There are actually two problems related to this.  The first is animals named for places, e.g. "Nile crocodile."  We've talked about that problem a lot in the Ark thread -- it's a hassle but generally not insurmountable.

The second problem is that the Ark Project will result in slightly disturbing biome populations, like kangaroos and cheetahs inhabiting the same savanna.  DF has no real mechanism for controlling this, but I've been thinking about suggesting one.  It should be fairly straightforward -- each creature def specifies a "continent ID" or list of them (or a token like ANY_CONTINENT) and worldgen assigns one of those "continent IDs" to each landmass, which constrains what creatures can show up there.  So if you had a world full of islands, some of the islands would have North American fauna, others Australian, and so on.  This might be a little clumsy for some situations, I haven't really thought it through yet.

[zchris13]

I'm thinking evolution.

[Typoman]

but is it really that awkward? i have no problems with cheetahs next to kangaroos in-game, maybe they just happened to migrate that way? perhaps one of the sentient races moved them to a new landmass and they bred like crazy (think rabbits/toads in australia, camels for that matter too) sure it would be a good idea to add such a thing but untill it is i don't see it being a big problem amd if it is it shouldn't always end up that way, it should only be more likely for the same reason i stated above (parhaps have a migration chance that is used for both natrual migration and translocation by sentients)

[darkflagrance]

Does anyone know whether the Mac port to the new version will come out at the same time as the Windows version?

We have every indication that the 40d# merge will happen, so yes, probably.

All races had a nice MOD soundtrack (even on PC internal speakers!) in this game and the Traddash had one of the nicest.

Yeah, their theme music fits them just right.

Though that alone doesn't mean much... But it for example describes this as: "Chinese food", "French Food", and other countries despite the fact that the game does not take place on earth. It would be like having a style of food called "Ardania Style" in real life.

There are actually two problems related to this.  The first is animals named for places, e.g. "Nile crocodile."  We've talked about that problem a lot in the Ark thread -- it's a hassle but generally not insurmountable.

The second problem is that the Ark Project will result in slightly disturbing biome populations, like kangaroos and cheetahs inhabiting the same savanna.  DF has no real mechanism for controlling this, but I've been thinking about suggesting one.  It should be fairly straightforward -- each creature def specifies a "continent ID" or list of them (or a token like ANY_CONTINENT) and worldgen assigns one of those "continent IDs" to each landmass, which constrains what creatures can show up there.  So if you had a world full of islands, some of the islands would have North American fauna, others Australian, and so on.  This might be a little clumsy for some situations, I haven't really thought it through yet.

We see the same "problem": in Dwarf Fortress, there currently exists no reason for creatures that can inhabit the same biome not to do so except for flavor reasons. There are no conceptions of niches or food chains.

But considering we are creating imaginary worlds, why should we place so much importance on forcing all fauna to coincide? Who is to say an imaginary continent might not have bizarre combinations of creatures within it? We have goblins in Dwarf Fortress; Kangaroos aren't even marsupials within the game. Why should as minor a thing as correspondence to actual biomes necessarily be so significant?

I do agree that adding some kind of tag that causes certain groups of creatures to spawn in a biome together and exclude others might be useful. However, rather than hackishly assigning continent ids, it might be better to determine a more emergent way of evolving animals as a true bug fix to the "Cheetahs and Kangaroos oh no" problem.

Perhaps biomes could be made more complex with "niches" and then animals could be selected to fill them based on size, food they consume, and ability to reproduce, among other things.

[G-Flex]

There's a reason in the real world why cheetahs and kangaroos (for instance) don't live together.

Different organisms exist in different ecological niches. You can't just mix and match types that can theoretically live in the same areas and expect everything to be okay. That's why invasive species are bad.