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[CobaltKobold]

It's perfectly clear to me...quote, response. quote, response.

[Quatch]

"000802 □ [creatures] snakemen can get through fortifications"
 Wouldn't they be thin/contorting enough do that? Along with a few other creatures.

Works for anyone, flows push creatures through fortifications. It can suck if you've got stuff like orcs in

Also, people are headed flame like a little too fast. Cool heads!

[atomfullerene]

Hmm, I wonder if you could make the list of remaining items into a creature.  I mean, it has parts, and those parts have smaller parts (layers, if you will), which themselves have characteristics (color).  Although I'm not sure how I'd feel about lopping off, say, entity positions.

My mental image of this is some sort of long, mostly red and green centipede-ish thing.  And don't even THINK about anthropomorphizing it....eh heh heh

[madman]

"Pseudo" as in "left out all the difficult parts," I take it.  Here's the most recent word on the matter:

It's still white, so I haven't done the consider part yet.  The main hurdle is the multi-z nature of such things, since all buildings currently reside on a single z level and the ramifications of that are quite pervasive, so there is quite a temptation to flub at this point, rather than engage in what could be a relatively long rewrite.

I would have thought just do it like vertical axles - one rope per z level (more expensive than what a lot of people are suggesting, but still workable and useful). However there's still pathing etc. to consider, and I'm sure Toady is the best person to know how difficult it is.

What I'm most looking forward to in the release is to have any fortresses that I start not be stuck on the wrong side of save compatibility for some of the future improvements. Oh, and burrows.

[Saber Cherry]

I think it would be fun to have subterranean corals.  Sort of like saplings, but if you let them grow too long they eventually turn into solid rock and heal your mining damage.  Could be farmed as a source of CaCO3 for smelting.

Before that happens, though, they could shelter a thriving ecosystem of land sharks, dried seaweed, and clownfishmen.  That's a cross between a clown fish and a man, not a cross between a clown and a fisherman.

[jpwrunyan]

I wanna talk about ponies now

[PermanentInk]

clownfishmen.  That's a cross between a clown fish and a man, not a cross between a clown and a fisherman.

clownfish, eh?  Would they be the tentacled variety?  SoFish seems self-defeating

[GlyphGryph]

Clearly, he's talking about the new carp-inspired clowns.

[Rhenaya]

12/16/2009: 40 or so new underground critters... and very few of them were "mans". In the raws, you can specify how deep you want them to be, among the first three layers (if your world doesn't have that many, they'll get crammed together) or down at the bottom ones. Now on to various other hanging issues with the underground.

so i have a question: will you be able to set up civ entities in the underground? like say the obvious darkelves/drow or darkdwarfs? that would be very interesting :>

[Footkerchief]

so i have a question: will you be able to set up civ entities in the underground? like say the obvious darkelves/drow or darkdwarfs? that would be very interesting :>

Yes: "Today I set up a new entity definition for subterranean critters, so that some of the animal peoples will be able to use crude items as well as mounts again."

Further explained here:

Toady what are the future plans for the Beastmen in the sense of a social/civilisation structure if I am allowed to ask? Will they be Civilised or as an "Intelligent" creature will they automatically be drawn to form societies?

These change quite a bit.  We want the aboveground Animal Peoples more or less aligned with regional spirits and uneasily with elves when they are in contact, but the underground Animal Peoples are more insane and antisocial and also use crude weapons where the aboveground ones might not.  Ideally the intelligent creatures will be able to form structures for their societies themselves -- it's a difficult problem though, so we're going to start that experiment with the goblins, who will not have any pre-defined entity positions.  More:

Question about the new subterranean entity definition. I thought you could only define it as one creature. I guess it can be multiple creatures in the new build?

Entity definitions could always accept more than one creature, but this doesn't mean that the creatures occur within the same instance of that civilization.  It distributes them evenly -- there is a new full entity definition for the underground animal peoples, and it has 8 creature entries.  This means that for each layer, it'll choose from among the 8 available and create a layer civ, just of that kind.  You can change the selection of weapons and everything else in the raws there.  Because the civ is "LAYER_LINKED", a shortcut flag until I sort this out, things like trading and so on won't be respected.  It's a catch-all flag much like BABY_SNATCHER and NUISANCE used to be, and it'll undergo the same kind of evolution most likely, until things start to make more sense.

So you should be able to mod in some halfway decent drow, as long as that LAYER_LINKED flag doesn't turn off anything too important.

[Ninjabob]

Suicide booth workshops will be easy but you may need to put them in their own rooms and lock the doors.

The problem would then be dwarves with yellow and red wounds on spine or neck.

[Siru]

After reading the Yellowstone Supervolcano thread I have been wondering: Will we eventually see volcanic eruptions and their after-effects in worldgen?

[CaptainNitpick]

I wanna talk about ponies now

The next version will allow you to breed smaller horses if you so desire.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I wanna talk about ponies now

The next version will allow you to breed smaller horses if you so desire.

Can I breed death ponies?

[Sean Mirrsen]

You can surely mod them.

"In 10, Urist McAdventurer was struck down by a pygmy dire horse."