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[Eduren]

I've seen mention of underground screenshots before but I have yet to see them. Could somebody give me a date on the devlog?

[Nemoricus]

4/18/09 has pictures of rock layers. This may or may not be what you are looking for.

[Footkerchief]

It may have been mentioned already, but will a dwarfs like and dislikes affect their ability to learn and/or teach with those items? IE: will a dwarf who likes swords be a better swordman and learn or teach swordsdwarfmanship better? Will a dwarf who likes dog meat be a better dog meat chef? Or will it only affect their moods from being around or owning that particular item?

[enter Footkercheif, stage right]

I got nothin useful, unfortunately.  I don't think anything along the lines of preference "boosting" skill has been mentioned, although it will make attachment more likely, as Lancensis mentioned.  The dev log didn't mention anything about preference/attachment affecting mood, but Toady had been positive about that idea in the past, in the form of dwarves being angry if they had to give up their favorite weapon etc.

[Jothki]

Are there any plans to do anything interesting with the preferences beyond an individual level? Could dwarves develop preferences for the equipment (especially weapons) of their recently deceased friends, or anything like that?

[Neonivek]

Goodness I know Footkerchief is amazing but goodness you guys arn't going to wear him out... your going to erode him.

[Footkerchief]

Nah, it's good fun.  Answering questions is a good excuse to go back and brush up on stuff.

[Tonin]

By the way, here's how I would handle cave in rules.  Collapse any tile more than x spaces from a wall.  Say you have cave ins for any tile more than 2 tiles from a wall (it should be a larger number than this, this is for demonstration purposes).

Starting cave in vertical cross section looks like this, with X representing rock and H representing unstable rock about to fall (spoilered for length):

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Turn 1
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXHHHHHHXXX
X                  X
X                  X
X                  X
X                  X
XXXXXXXXXXXX

turn 2
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXHHXXXXX
XXX           XXX
X                  X
X                  X
X                  X
X    XXXXXX   X
XXXXXXXXXXXX

turn 3
XXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXX    XXXXX
XXX           XXX
X                  X
X                  X
X        XX      X
X    XXXXXX   X
XXXXXXXXXXXX

I've implemented a system similar to this is a small demo program I did a year or two ago. It works quite well for simulating ground collapse in a tile based way. You would probably need some extra code to check that the other side of the arch actually reaches the ground though, otherwise you can end up with some very odd under cut cliffs:

XXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXX
XXXXX
XXX
X
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I think something like this would strike a good balance for realism vs playability, and is relatively fast / simple to compute as well.

[Neonivek]

It took me a while to realise but I am pretty sure why Dwarves are allowed to move through supports.

Because otherwise they would have just been an odd wall.

[Neruz]

It took me a while to realise but I am pretty sure why Dwarves are allowed to move through supports.

Because otherwise they would have just been an odd wall.

You can rig supports to collapse, you can't do this with walls.

[Neonivek]

It took me a while to realise but I am pretty sure why Dwarves are allowed to move through supports.

Because otherwise they would have just been an odd wall.

You can rig supports to collapse, you can't do this with walls.

That too, but that is a much less interesting answer.

[JoshuaFH]

Do building destroyers go out of their way to destroy supports? If so, then you might want to reprogram them so they don't... afterall, if an invading force comes in, destroys the first support it comes across and is killed from the resulting cave-in, it'd be kind've silly.

[Neonivek]

Do building destroyers go out of their way to destroy supports? If so, then you might want to reprogram them so they don't... afterall, if an invading force comes in, destroys the first support it comes across and is killed from the resulting cave-in, it'd be kind've silly.

I guess that is a good reason to build multiple supports rather then the bare minimum

[Osmosis Jones]

If we're talking cave ins, may I suggest people read this thread? My idea at the start wasn't too grand, but it starts to get interesting later on, especially once Squashmonster gets into it.

Incidentally;
Toady, I know cave-ins are not gonna happen for this release, but do you have any rough idea when you are planning on getting around to it?

[atomfullerene]

Thanks for the link, that's just what i was looking for.

[finesse]

Wow, we've been spoiled this month.. so far Toady has a dev update for every day