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[ToonyMan]

Booze has never exploded.  It just boils.  Hot gases used to do more damage to creatures, but they don't do much now.

I think it's pretty funny we Bay12ers are discussing booze bombs and describing in detail the effects of it when booze bombs can never really happen.

yet

[RedKing]

Wait, what? I could have sworn that barrels of booze did explode when they caught fire. Maybe it was in an old version...

[Mr.Person]

Wait, what? I could have sworn that barrels of booze did explode when they caught fire. Maybe it was in an old version...

They've never exploded. The tile for boiling booze is a bright, full tile red. It looks an awful lot like an explosion. It acts a lot like an explosion. In reality though, it's just a very hot bubble of boiling booze exploding outward.

[Hoborobo234]

boiling booze exploding outward.

exploding outward.

exploding

[Markham]

I'm guessing what he's trying to say is that the alchohol doesn't burn in DF, but is instead spreading a scalding steam, so things die/get damaged from heat, not from !!fire!!?

[ToonyMan]

Oh ho ho ho, you crazy Bay12.  Confusing burning steam with explosions.

[Aqizzar]

Are kobolds like gremlins? (edit: As seen in the movies)

What movies were those?

Gremlins, of course.


As long were posting more old questions, I just thought of a couple, though I imagine Foot will field them while I search myself.  Tissues will be given material definitions, including hardness and so forth.  The defensive ability of metal armors will be determined by the properties, like hardness, of the metal it's made from.  Does this mean that leather armor will reflect the properties of the creature skin that it's made from?

For that matter, will leatherizing (tanned, cured, and so forth) alter the properties of the skin it's made from, or is that set for later, and leather is just skin that can be used for stuff?

[Footkerchief]

There have been many threads discussing the supposed "booze bomb."  Here's the most recent.  The most important snippets:

It boils. People just tend to look at the booze clouds and think "holy crap, my booze just exploded."

Booze bombs have never been real.

The booze boils (like you noticed) and creates a red mist cloud of evaporated booze. Heat from the burning wooden barrel (stand next to a burning tree in adventure mode for a while sometime) causes damage to creatures. Unobservant people think OMG BOOZESPOSION!!!!! and people on the forum who want to believe propagate the myth.

I tested it and the same effect (minus the red booze cloud of course) was obtained with burning empty barrels, and even just plain old burning logs. It's the heat from the fire (and dwarven stupidity/lack of self preservation) that causes damage, not the booze cloud.

so just drop plain old flaming logs and you're not wasting any alcohol - good or bad.

That should clear up any remaining misconceptions.  However, since we're talking about combustion, I'm still curious whether the new material raws differentiate between autoignition temperature and combustion temperature.  Examples abound, especially among reactive metals -- magnesium, for example, ignites at 510 C and burns at 1371 C.  The issue of ignition points came up before, but I couldn't tell whether Toady's answer included this distinction: "The current version has an ignition point to the extent that it has materials, but there's also a set temperature for fire attacks.  The new version also has the ignition point, used in the same way, but it has more materials so behavior should be a bit more diverse, though things like the map are still static."

As long were posting more old questions, I just thought of a couple, though I imagine Foot will field them while I search myself.  Tissues will be given material definitions, including hardness and so forth.  The defensive ability of metal armors will be determined by the properties, like hardness, of the metal it's made from.  Does this mean that leather armor will reflect the properties of the creature skin that it's made from?

For that matter, will leatherizing (tanned, cured, and so forth) alter the properties of the skin it's made from, or is that set for later, and leather is just skin that can be used for stuff?

In last year's material template preview, the leather is a separately defined material, which means it can mirror the properties of the creature's skin material, or not (you can override individual properties from those templates at the creature level).  We haven't yet seen any support for materials that are generated on-the-fly by augmenting properties of an existing material -- that's handled by a MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT, which just changes one material into another:

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[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:LEATHER]
Interestingly, in those previews, the STANDARD_MATERIALS body detail plan doesn't actually add a leather material to the creature.  It was probably an oversight and has been fixed in the newer body detail plans, although maybe there's something subtle I'm missing.

[smjjames]

Are kobolds like gremlins? (edit: As seen in the movies)

What movies were those?

The Gremlins movie. I think I saw it once a long while ago. Basically they wreak general havoc and chaos, like a malevolent evil type. Although I don't think they were neccesarily out to kill people, just make life miserable.

I can't recall seeing an answer to this: Will diplomats that die in fort mode get replacements now?

It's come up:

This is about monarchs, but I think the succession issues are the same in both cases:

Will how kings and queens come to power be changed to reflect actual monarchies? Like when a king or queen dies, their oldest child or the nearest of kin becomes the new monarch.

This already happens in world generation.  In-game succession is a slightly harder problem that is up on dev_next.  It might get a placeholder sooner than that but I can't guarantee anything.

I'm guessing that since there hasn't been any further mention of that placeholder, we won't see it this time around.  I'm just glad to see Entity Positions done, though.  If the rest of Squads goes that smoothly...

I wouldn't care too much about the monarch nobles, and besides, even if they do get killed in fortress mode, I don't think the civilization crumbles and is still playable. What I would want and likely everybody else, is to have the liason at least be replaced somehow because they are far more important than the monarch, at least on a trade basis.

Though the I would like to see some like the booze instead of water in water packs make it through. That I think would be useful.

I think that's a potential deathtrap.

Consider:

Squad packs some dwarven rum in flasks in their backpacks. Squad goes out to confront fire imp. Fire imp tags Urist McImpfodder with a fireball. Urist is on fire. Fire reaches the rum flask, which cooks off like a hand grenade. Remaining squad members are now covered with !!dwarf chunk!!...and are packing their own Molotov cocktails.

On the upside, it becomes more feasible to create dwarven suicide bombers.

I doubt it since as it was said before, 'exploding' booze doesn't really explode, think of it more like the fizz from an overpressurized soda bottle. Explode is still a good word though and descriptive enough.

The booze boiling over would be the least of the soldiers problems when bieng attacked by an imp and if the waterbag is on fire, most likely they are on fire themselves.

[Footkerchief]

I wouldn't care too much about the monarch nobles, and besides, even if they do get killed in fortress mode, I don't think the civilization crumbles and is still playable. What I would want and likely everybody else, is to have the liason at least be replaced somehow because they are far more important than the monarch, at least on a trade basis.

I know people aren't really concerned about monarchs, but as I said in that quote, the succession issue is probably the same for liaisons as for monarchs, meaning that what Toady said ("In-game succession is a slightly harder problem that is up on dev_next.  It might get a placeholder sooner than that but I can't guarantee anything.") would apply to both. 

[Kobold6]

Are kobolds like gremlins? (edit: As seen in the movies)

What movies were those?

The Gremlins movie. I think I saw it once a long while ago. Basically they wreak general havoc and chaos, like a malevolent evil type. Although I don't think they were neccesarily out to kill people, just make life miserable.

I think that Kobolds would eventually have their own flavours of mischief. A Kobold might prefer to set traps for your dwarfs or pets, once invaders can make buildings of course. From the little I can gather about the movie the Gremlins don't
sound as sneaky and tactful as I'd expect a Kobold to be.

Lever pullers would be easy to deal with, because a few lever/support/magma traps would become a very efficient anti-mischief trap. If they want to be really annoying maybe they would disassemble levers- just another reason to keep them out of your fort!

Edit: removing off topic stuff.

[Nicpon]

Nay, Pulling levers is more fun.

They could disassemble bridges though. (or make them disassemble themselves when sombody is on them  )

[Dame de la Licorne]

Ok, question that is completely unrelated to the topic(s) currently under discussion, and likely not to be implemented in this release (unless it is an oversight and not deliberate).  Why do Siege Engineers not get artifacts when all of the other reasonable vanilla professions do?  Is it an oversight, and if not I'm curious as to the reasoning behind that decision?

[Eduren]

Urist McSiegeEngineer has been possesed.

Urist McSiegeEngineer has created a Trebuchet!

[G-Flex]

I'm not sure how reasonable it would be, since they'd end up producing an artifact siege *component*. Producing an artifact one-third-of-a-siege-engine is weirder than producing an artifact some-entire-item, at least.