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[Footkerchief]

Is it possible for different castes of creatures to live in different biomes? For example a single 'Tiger' creature that is orange with black stripes in tropical biomes while a white with black stripes caste of the same creature lives in taiga and temperate forests.

Nope, biomes are one of the few tags that only operate at the creature level:

The number of tokens that are creature rather than caste specific is very small.  Creatures handle the overall name, biome, whether the creature is considered fanciful/doesn't exist (for art), vermin information (so, no, Fault, sorry!... too much depends on that right now), whether groups hang together closely, whether it is mundane (from real Earth for age name purposes), population information including good/evil/savage, if it is equipment, sphere information (not sure how long that'll last, but there were annoyances), and that looks like it (they also have some general categories that have caste overrides, like child names and speeches for adv mode).  Everything else, including body information, is held in the castes.

Also, will we be seeing melanistic leopards and jaguars ('black panthers') in the next version or will we have to mod that in ourselves?

"Updated about a third of the creatures, including all of the gibbons. I'm not doing anything super accurate with color/patterns for them this time around, as that would take too long."

[smjjames]

Yea, nearly all of the military ones will be obsolete, the phantom limb thing has been fixed and alot of the feature related ones may be obsolete.

However, this one "# 000334 □ [dwarf mode][justice]   hammerer uses mouth when unable to carry hammer, carries around severed limbs in mouth for years" should stay makes things more fun.

Also, I thought the fish leather thing was normal since I've seen migrant dwarves with fish leather clothes.

[Narmio]

Sometimes though the human civs will come up with a racist sounding name such as the white league. I know its just a game and the RNG has no concept of racism, so its really nobodys fault.

There's definetly worse names that the RNG has tossed out though.

What's wrong with having racist civilisations in game?  Firstly, a name with the word "White" in it is not automatially racist, it could refer to a hundred other things.  And if it is, racist entities in a fictional world say nothing about the racism of that world's creator (although they can certainly be used as a platform for that, but that's not happening here).  Additionally, racism is an excellent motivator for conflict, and should if anything be encouraged as a possibly value set as civilisations become more sphere-aligned.  Lastly, almost all civilisations throughout history have at some time or another acted in a strongly nationalistic bigoted way - be it religious, ethnic or some other form of discrimination.  Not modelling that out of some misplaced ethical sense would be silly - we're talking about a world where mass murder is the norm.

Sorry to jump on you for this, but "the r word" is thrown about pretty senselessly some times.  Let's not let that real-world stuff derail the thread, though.   

[smjjames]

I wasn't trying to imply anything, just mentioning that the name seemed like that to me, although I know its not automatically racist. Its just the two words together that seemed that way.

[Footkerchief]

Also, I thought the fish leather thing was normal since I've seen migrant dwarves with fish leather clothes.

It's a very widespread bug.  It's regarded as a bug, I think, because you can't make leather from fish skin -- although making leather from cartilaginous fish is well precedented (one site mentioned it was used in Japan in the 8th century).  Although... huh.  Apparently Native Americans were making leather products from fish skin 2000 years ago.  So maybe fish leather should stay in, at least for some uses?  It sounds like it was sufficiently distinct, as a technology, from normal leatherworking that it remained unknown (or maybe just not useful) to many civilizations.  Needs more research, but I can't find the original text for the "Ingram & Dixon" these works are citing.

[Christes]

Just what we need - another great dwarf profession for immigrants: "Novice Fish Leathermaker"

[Kulantan]

Don't think there would be racism in DF. If your white then why hate the blacks when you can team up and hate the greens, so speciesicsm.

"Fu**ing Goblins coming over here and stealing our babies."

[Footkerchief]

Don't think there would be racism in DF. If your white then why hate the blacks when you can team up and hate the greens, so speciesicsm.

"Fu**ing Goblins coming over here and stealing our babies."

Let's let this ill-fated tangent die, please.  Narmio, if you have to say things like "sorry" and "let's not let that real-world stuff derail the thread," stop and think.  I know it's not exactly what you meant, but the flipside of what you said is "let me have my say and don't argue."

[Dante]

Yeah, I don't think that particular can of worms is suited to the FoF thread, unless it's a simple question for Toady. And even then, I wouldn't necessarily expect an answer.

[AbacusWizard]

Sometimes though the human civs will come up with a racist sounding name such as the white league.

That's not necessarily referring to race. Gandalf and friends were known as the White Council, for instance.

Also, according to wikipedia, the use of "white" to refer to a "white race" only began in the late 1600s, placing it outside the scope of this game. 

[smjjames]

Sorry I brought the whole thing up, lol ><

Anyways yea lets get off this tangent as its going to lead nowhere.

I've been thinking, you know those forces of nature that elves worship? I think those are actually precursors to the new titans, some of them at least.

[tfaal]

Ha ha, I haven't been to an adventure mode town for a very long time. There just hasn't been cause for it during all of these other changes. After I did the temple greeting update, I thought I'd be able to green out a few more items today. Instead, during testing, well, there were no temples, because there were no buildings, just a town with about 100 priests of different denominations standing in an otherwise empty clearing. It turns out they'd been razing their own temples each year and then starting new religions, leaving the old priests behind, and on top of that the game no longer knew how to place buildings because it thought there were too many overlaps with the new cave features.

Once all that was fixed, the priests disappeared entirely, but the game still registered the religions as having them. When I checked out an example, the guy had been a tiger hunter all his life, which ended when one of the hunts went horribly wrong. The following year, he was appointed a priest. No wonder my adventurer couldn't find him. After that was handled, I finally found a priest hanging out at a temple, and he greeted me properly.

Honestly, this kinda stuff is why I friggin' love Dwarf Fortress.

[Outcast Orange]

Sounds awesome!
I can't wait to run around like a nut case in the new version.

Priest will be like:
"Why are you doing these things?!!?!"
And I'll beat him in the face with a severed limb, cut open his stomach, and wrestle with his guts.

Sorry Toady, we all have pent up rage in us, and your game is a great medium of release.

[Aldaris]

Will it be possible to squeeze off somebody's head by means of their own guts? Please? As in strangling them until the head pops off.

[G-Flex]

Toady has stated before that the only wrestling maneuver you can perform with guts right now is to pinch them.