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[Zironic]

What toady needs to do is limit refuse space, as currently, using dumping, it is infinite. However, say certain refuse doesn't decompose, and can only be moved by using some sort of new fill ability. While you'd eventually have a landfill in larger forts, by dumping it in clown's funhouses, you risk the hilarity of them coming out, throwing jokes at you, causing dwarfs to combust into laughter etc.

[Christes]

I like the idea of the funhouse periodically spitting out new waves of clowns.  But it should give a sullen player (one who who doesn't fall down laughing at the first wave) a chance to cause a strategic falling of rock and prevent further hilarity.

[Chronas]

If i didn't know what you are talking about, it would sound psychotic as carp!
Armokdamn clowns...

[Rockphed]

If i didn't know what you are talking about, it would sound psychotic as carp!
Armokdamn clowns...

I know what they are talking about and it sounds psychotic.  Really, this fan base is nuts.

[Footkerchief]

The flying steel bolt strikes the Clown Car, piercing through the clown into the clown and coming to rest in the clown!

Really, there's a serious dearth of nightmare-inducing mods.

[Puzzlemaker]

Clowns?  What?

[Christes]

Clowns are very hilarious creatures.

Just read this account and see for yourself.

edit: Puzzlemaker, weren't you the one with a very famous run-in with clowns?  You breached the funhouse and everyone was like "Don't tell him how funny it is!  Let him find out heehee!"

[Neonivek]

Amazing update today Toady.

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I like that you are practically putting in scaling dungeons. It makes me wonder if that means that those down below could crawl to the surface.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Yes, quite interesting. Finally, adventurers can go on something that can possibly be called an "adventure" as opposed to a "quest".

Any chance for that "vertical connections between layers" thing to affect mineral placement?

[RedKing]

Tunneling enemies, remember?  Although that means you could get HFS after having not dug at all, I guess.

This could work if Tunneling enemies had a "preferred" stone types to dig through. Since they're always encapsulated in Adamantine, you could just set they're tunneling preferences to "Never dig through adamantine, but it's OK to dig through anything else" and you could have the best of both worlds.

This makes perfect sense to me. In lore terms, you could think of it this way:

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In the ancient mists of prehistory demons plagued the world, terrorizing the mortal races who called out to their gods for protection. The elven gods bent entire forests into mighty cages of wood and vine, but the fire demons just burned through them. The human gods sent mighty armies against them, only to see them fall or be dragged away screaming (possible source for those unnamed humans?). The dwarven gods tried burying them in the very earth, but the demons melted through the rock as a mole digs through soft loam. The gods themselves despaired.

Then it was that only the dwarven gods, masters of earth and ores, devised a solution. All of the gods' attempts had failed because they were using pieces of Creation against creatures outside of Creation. So they created a new metal stronger than all the other gifts of the earth, imbued with divine essence itself. They called this wondrous substance adamantine, and tricking the demons into assembling together in one place, they called into being a rough sphere of adamantine around the demons, trapping them. Then they caused mountains to rise up over the sphere, locking the demons deep within the earth where they would stay undisturbed for all time.

In time, the legends became distorted so that the dwarves remembered that adamantine was a wondrous metal, and a gift from their gods, but they had forgotten why it came to be...

[Neonivek]

The only problem with that story is that there is more to HFS then that

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There are also those gates to hell and slaves. Though I wouldn't be ENTIRELY surprised if the gods in fact added both of those to make the demons less willing to break out. A sort of "For as long as you stay within the domains we made, we will give you a cut of all the souls for you to do whatever you want with"

[Neruz]

Or more like the gods just capped all of the rifts into hell with Adamantine as soon as they could. When you're dealing with infinite demons you don't piss about.

[NobbZ]

Hi!

Is there a way to test the In-Dev-Verison?

I think it is a pity, that there passed over a year since the last release...

In generall I would appreciate more and smaller releases.

It is really anoying to me, to read about all the new awesome features or work in progress nearly daily in the dev log, but not able to test any small bit of it. First I thougt the 40d16 (and similar) would be what I search, but I cant really find the new features on a first view, the new graphic engine seems to be really the only change against 40d-standard. Or are there the changes and I dont look deep enough?

[Neonivek]

Naw they don't do too much other then possibly speed up the game, mess it up, or slow it down.

For the most part after this release (and one more) we will be back to updates that are much closer together

for the most part Toady is trying to set it up so that the updates don't break save compatability.

[smjjames]

The only problem with digging vs tunneling is that the two words have the same definition. Plus I don't think Toady said anything about 'tunneling' critters for this update. That kind of thing may have to wait for the pathing revision though.

On todays devnotes, when I read that, I thought of lava tubes. I don't know how easy they would be to make, but at their simplest, they would be a natural tunnel with obsidian on all sides. Think 3D here, as in a vertical grid of 9 squares, the central one would be empty. Although things such a lava tubes may be indistingushable from small tunnels leading of of caverns.