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[tfaal]

Raw spoliers ahead!

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[DESCRIPTION:An enormous three-eyed vulture.  It has large mandibles and it has an austere look about it.  Its lime feathers are patchy.  Beware its fire!]

I'm not sure if this is just my imagination running wild, but holy crap DF just generated a friggin' Deep Crow!
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/3/21/
EDIT: Okay, maybe it's got three eyes instead of seven, lime green feathers instead of black, and two legs instead of four, but he fact of the matter is that it's still a large, polyocular bird with big mandibles and an association with caverns.

[Sean Mirrsen]

The new raws are great and all...  and the new attack definitions are awesome...  but my little mod management program is going to have to be version-specific again. No way I'll be able to detect the placement of all those tabbed segments without closing tags. (and I'm pretty sure the tabbings aren't even required)

Though I guess that's part of a good challenge. My "Dr.More-Oh" mod is royally screwed anyway, unless I pull off a scripting language.

Anyway. Yay for custom poisons! And HOW custom! With how detailed all this stuff has become, it's almost possible to see Basilisks! Or a Castlevania-like Catoblepas. That has a breath weapon that is a contact poison that has the effect of gradually transforming your body's materials to stone. I mean instantly transforming, but tissue layer by tissue layer, part by part. That would be very neat.

Also, on custom attacks. There are a few tags I'd like to ask you to consider. ATTACK_STATE, ATTACK_TARGETSTATE, and ATTACK_CHARGE. The first two to determine the state you, or your opponent have to be in for the attack to be available (standing, prone, flying, swimming), and the third to explicitly designate the attack as a charge, foregoing the "You charge at" message and going to the attack text.
This is mainly for a reincarnation of my Martial Arts mod, with animals pouncing, or alternative attacks with specific flavor text (because roundhouse kicking a prone opponent is troublesome, as is trying to do it while swimming, for example).

And one more, is the "BITE" attack in any way tied to the presence of teeth? Because for one, it would eventually be nice to have monsters with adamantine teeth, and it would also be odd if you slashed off the giant snake's poison teeth and still had its bite poison you.

[HammerHand]

Raw spoliers ahead!

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[DESCRIPTION:An enormous three-eyed vulture.  It has large mandibles and it has an austere look about it.  Its lime feathers are patchy.  Beware its fire!]

I'm not sure if this is just my imagination running wild, but holy crap DF just generated a friggin' Deep Crow!
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/3/21/
EDIT: Okay, maybe it's got three eyes instead of seven, lime green feathers instead of black, and two legs instead of four, but he fact of the matter is that it's still a large, polyocular bird with big mandibles and an association with caverns.

This is exactly what I thought.

[PTTG??]

The Deep Crow is one of the few things that, while never connected with DF, is inherently Dwarfy.

Hm...

[umiman]

Oh? We get critter descriptions in raws now? Good stuff. Maybe now we can finally figure out what fluffy wamblers and those other assorted strange things are.

[Neonivek]

There is a LOT about the new flags I can't put my head around. Though I'd suspect that Toady is eventually going to inform us.

What he has shown us so far shows how much he has worked on these raws (I didn't even know one was ready already) but just as much how far he has left to go.

Several things actually stuck out to me.

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For example these were relatively cheap creatures for megabeasts

[BODY_SIZE:0:0:10000000] - clearly related to body size, but what do the numbers do?

The last number works the same as always by my guesses. I am sure the first two numbers don't do anything yet but determine the ratio between length and height which would help later with small creatures being unable to jump up to the face of a giant and eat out his eye.

As well, I am a bit surprised that none of them use anything other then standard materials.

also WOW is that Forgotten Beast's poison absolutely deadly!

Also are their attacks 100% accurate?

[Aqizzar]

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:POISON:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:beast sickness]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_1:ALL]
[SYN_INJECTED][SYN_CONTACT][SYN_INHALED]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:100:PROB:100:START:617:PEAK:1532:END:3054:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES]
[CE_PAIN:SEV:100:PROB:100:START:1116:PEAK:2323:END:4274:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES]
[CE_VOMIT_BLOOD:SEV:100:PROB:100:START:781:PEAK:1037:END:4115:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES]
[CE_UNCONSCIOUSNESS:SEV:100:PROB:100:START:262:PEAK:1398:END:4038:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES]


Good Lord is this going to be complicated.

[Neonivek]

At least it isn't going to change, just be added to.

Though it does increase the value on some sort of RAW Generator.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I think that the numbers are the base chance, as usual. Agility and armor will factor in. Some attacks of a creature may be more accurate than others, so it's there.

I can't help but note how poison immunity can be made caste-specific. I foresee some pretty awful modded poisons, like a "giant black widow poison" that kills only males...

[Leafsnail]

Wait, so the poison has specific effects, as well as timed effects that kick in at certain times and phase out at others?  That's totally awesome.

And it looks like that poison wouldn't be deadly in its own right, but if you were to fall unconscious in front of a beast like that...

Although the Dizzyness in that poison seems a bit redundant, since the creature would be unconscious throughout the entire time it would be dizzy.  Same goes to pain for some extent - the creature would only wake up for the very last bit of the pain.

[Neonivek]

And it looks like that poison wouldn't be deadly in its own right

I don't know... Long lasting 100% Severity blood vomiting. You could bleed to death that way.

Oddly enough I expected "Spasms" to be a symptom

As for "Redundant" it might become less redundant against creatures who don't go unconscious or if you resisted unconsciousness somehow.

Though I fully expect redundant effects.

Though what about stacking effects? That would be interesting. Imagine a poison that gives immediate intense pain... then mild pain for months later.

[Leafsnail]

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Yeah... and I suppose it could choke you if you did it while in 100 severity unconsciousness.

And yeah, it would be interesting to know if you can have total disorientation when bitten, followed by semi permanent moderate dizzyness afterwards.

If they do stack, I suppose we can have lots of fun custom designing deadly poisons.

[Neonivek]

Yeah... and I suppose it could choke you if you did it while in 100 severity unconsciousness.

Ohh yeah I forgot about that as well. Though I highly doubt Toady added that in. (It is quite tragic in real life)

[Knight Otu]

Although the Dizzyness in that poison seems a bit redundant, since the creature would be unconscious throughout the entire time it would be dizzy.  Same goes to pain for some extent - the creature would only wake up for the very last bit of the pain.

I noticed that as well. I suppose part of it is the randomness in the creation process - making sure that the overlaps make sense might not be easily implemented, given that there are at least four, and probably more, syndromes, and the timespans include a peak. On the other hand, these effects are all resistable, seemingly separate from each other. So a creature might resist falling unconscious, but still become dizzy later on. That makes it theoretically significant.

[Morberis]

If "having, like, six legs and breathe poisonous gas that makes your skin rot off and stuff" isn't intereasting, what would you say IS interesting?