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[smjjames]

Ballistae are pretty much instakill, so I've heard.

[Footkerchief]

There are Catapults and Balistae

Though I still don't know if they are a devistating attack or an instant kill.

Has anyone survived a hit?

I don't know about catapults, but a ballista hit can be survived, yeah.  Often it'll just tear off a limb or several and keep going.

[Org]

Why was Underground Diversity locked and all that?

[Dakk]

There are Catapults and Balistae

Though I still don't know if they are a devistating attack or an instant kill.

Has anyone survived a hit?

I don't know about catapults, but a ballista hit can be survived, yeah.  Often it'll just tear off a limb or several and keep going.

A catapult tends to be less lethal since it does blunt damage and apparently won't kill several things in a row with a single shot like ballistae sometimes do.

[Neonivek]

Why was Underground Diversity locked and all that?

It hit Criticle mass and no longer served the original purpose of the thread?

[Footkerchief]

Why was Underground Diversity locked and all that?

It hit Criticle mass and no longer served the original purpose of the thread?

Yeah, that.  The last word on it was: "Toady has read the list and taken what he likes....mission accomplished."

[Neonivek]

Just testing something out before I even bother adding it to the suggestion forum
-Honestly there are many times I want to do this... but there doesn't seem to be a place for this. Would It just be the Suggestion forum or just the General forum?

What would everyone thing about Shields eventually becoming less magical forcefield and more like an actual shield?

Meaning that quite litterally you could be fighting a Goblin, have him hit your shield, and then having your arm broken and your shoulder dislocated.

[jamoecw]

or have some really good bows pinning your arm to your shield, not able to defend from two simultaneous projectiles from different angles (in history when the enemy reached a certain distance the front row fired straight on and the back rows fired upish to lob the shots from above).  then there is interlocking shields, synchronized pushing, and pavises.  there is a lot of stuff that can be done with shields that would be cool, i hope some of this sort of stuff happens when toady does a more in depth formation and fighting system.

[EvilTwin]

Though, I hear there are ways for bubbly caverns to form, if I remember a fantasy novel correctly (I pick up information in odd places)- if water is flowing through and rolls loose stone around, hollowing one out? I don't know if it's actual or not.

talking 'bout Sir Arthur Conan Doyles "The Terror of Blue John Gap"?
a mine shaft leading into a huge cavern system hollowed out by water. the whole thing is in a hill which is so hollow that it works like a giant bell sometimes.
dunno whether it's realistic or not, but hey, it's Doyle, and dwarf fortress has much more irrealistic things in it than stuff that Doyle has made up...
on the other hand... The Horror of the Height, which is actually so irrealistic that noone would fear it today...

[bluephoenix]

I tryed to calculate the number of days left untill the next release plz feel free to throw your «pig tail shoe» at me for being wrong and what not.

Well here is how i went:
I took the number of remaining items left for toady to code

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Map Features
   Underground feature resources more likely and useful (farmable areas, etc.)
   Consider rope/ladder/etc. building particularly for downward movement into large open spaces

Sites
   Tie in cave sites to map features
   Handle how mega beasts in world gen move between the new caves
   Update cave size calcs
   Update generation of cave pops
   Entity cave dwellers vs. new caves
   Update cave diggers in world gen
   Update cave generation vs. map features
   Update text/symbol/color of sites (particularly caves) vs. map features
   Update entity site preferences vs. new caves
   New caves vs. skulker stealth during world gen
   Update world gen site defense values vs. new caves
   Update conversation vs. new caves

Entity Positions
   Update guards (as a position, other parts during squad update below)
   Update liaison
   Update meetings vs. new positions
   Respect gender/caste for generated position holders
   Update position spouse names
   Update position holder seat of power
   Update temple greeting triggers vs. new positions
   Handle entities with variable world gen positions
   Update monarch arrival
   Remove any final remnants of replaced unit types
   Creature/mount prefs for leaders
   Remove demons as forced powers for goblins and have such arrangements arise through mega-beast behavior

Squads
   Add yearly squad schedules
   Deal with squad schedule/alert status vs. on break/jobs
   Appointee to handle individual equipment overrides, automation of equipment upgrades, as well as training supplies
   Soldiers that are standing down should sort out their equipment according to their assignments
   More control over archery training materials
   More control over hunter equipment
   Better handling of axe/pick issues with civilian vs. military equipment
   Familiarity with individual weapons, attachment to them, weapon mentions in legends
   Booze instead of water should be allowed
   Ability to create formations and have squads hold a given formation at a position or during movement
   Framework for instructor-led training, with instructor and evaluation of pupils determining nature of sparring/routines
   Associated skills for leading/teaching
   Formation drills, with training having an impact on the ability to hold formation and overall military discipline
   Check out sparring injury rates vs. new wound system
   Update archery training and some associated settings
   Ability to use free time for additional practice/drills if so inclined
   Personality effects on training

Some other unfinished business
   Handling butchery/rot/fish cleaning/eat leavings vs. body materials
   Updating undead severs
   Some quick function updates based on tissue materials
   Handle issue with totem items vs. castes
   Update some issues with moods vs. new corpses
   Update some of the optimizations for job reactions
   Update automation of tanning jobs
   Issue with stout creatures vs. items
   Handle a few material contaminant issues
   Update blood flow/contam pushes

,
multiplied it by the number of days toady gets done with one item which seems like three days to me ( 53x3 ) and divided it by the number of days a month has (which is 53x3 / 30) and from this formula I concluded that it would take ABOUT 5,3 months untill release.
Comments are most welcome and please dont kill me if i did something horribly wrong its 23:30 here  .

[Outcast Orange]

That sounds about right.
Toady knows how to get things done.

I think a factor of 2.5 would be closer to the actual completion time per item.

[Kennel]

Well he has finished 116 items in about 250 days (+ some remaining items are partially done/will be skipped) so closest number would probably be item/2 days. => 3,5 months

(Of course this doesn't make much sense because time used per item varies wildly)

[Granite26]

I don't think it'd take too much time (during site generation) to eat out caves, inject (and cool) magma into the right kinds of rocks and through in a few fault slides....

[smjjames]

Yea, the new cavern systems are suppoused to look like natural caves and not the labrynthine maze that looks like it was made by dwarves on crack or something.

Although cavern systems take thousands to millions of years to form and those dike features are on a similar time scale. Still, we can always say that the whole worldgen and erosion is several hundred thousand to a few million years of erosion squished down into a brief time-frame. The generating the world part really doesn't take very long, just a few minutes, it's the legends and history generation that takes longer.

It should be pretty cool to view the cavern systems in a program like Visual Fortress.

I wonder what the progress is on the 'rope ladders', if there is any yet as I think that is what Toady is working on atm.

[Neonivek]

3,5 months

Interesting, may I see a grid of this movement? I don't remember the X,Y of the current location.

Note: Oddly enough I made this post originally going to ask what the "," was... I opted for this rather unfunny joke instead.