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[Sunday]

Also Sandbox trees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_tree) can throw their seeds 100 meters.  Also called the 'dynamite tree' because of the sound it makes.

[Krash]

This off topic stuff is off topic

[zchris13]

Not really.  We are discussing exploding trees, due to a suggestion.

But it does belong in another thread.

[timmeh]

"Ok Jim, your new arm is all attached and ready to go after that training accident with the *Obsidian Shortsword*.  It might start grabbing for your head now and then, don't worry, it's just after your delicious squishy brains."

Sig'd

[Shad0wyone]

Awesome to see the new version is still going strong, we'll probably see the new version by the end of the year.

[Koji]

Is rotting tissue the only reason they amputate? They should also do it in the case of extremely painful injuries or breaks that won't heal, or when there's a lot of damage to the limb's circulatory structure.

Are we going to see societies that use amputation as punishment? It'd be funny to add "Getting a hand chopped off" to punish_severe for things like stealing. You could also have surgeons acting as torturers in societies where that sort of thing wasn't looked down upon. I can see a goblin putting out an elf's eye in order to convince him to give up the location of the druid's hideout, or hobbling dwarf prisoners to keep them from running away.

[Areyar]

I suspect the hammerer will cause many hands and heads to be amputated without any intervention. Crushed bones don't heal so cleanly.

[Warlord255]

Even if infection isn't in, there needs to be some good reason to do surgery. Right now it sounds like there's no reason for a dwarf full of rotting tissue to go to a doctor... unless he's Resting as long as he's got that, in which case I suppose it works.

[kiffer.geo]

Toady's comment about the dragons that grew until their size ended up negative made me wonder... Can we give creatures a negative number for growth rate? So for example could we start the world off with Megabeasts that have size 300 and a growth rate of -1 per year... untill they reached size 50... after 250 years...  That way they would really clean up during early world gen ... but after a while they would be much easier to take out.

I used to play a game called Subspace (now called Continuum), it was great and fairly modable... I had put together a mod based on one ship's bombs doing negative damage and thus acting as sort of a medic class for non-regenerating ships... but then they fixed the "bug" of allowing explosives to do negative damage.

[SirPenguin]

Even if infection isn't in, there needs to be some good reason to do surgery. Right now it sounds like there's no reason for a dwarf full of rotting tissue to go to a doctor... unless he's Resting as long as he's got that, in which case I suppose it works.

Yeah, seriously. It was pretty frustrating reading today's DevNotes. "Here's something Dwarves now do...except there's absolutely no reason for it". I understand there WILL be a reason for it in the future...but by the sounds of things, it'll be the FAR off future...so why even bother? You'd think Toady would want to focus on the important bits.

Ah well.

[Neonivek]

There just isn't anyway around that SirPenguin. The problem is that the important bits are burried in a pile of alterations the game needs to work.

To quote Toady: "After the Carrivan Arc" x 100

Right now Toady is focused on changes to Dwarf Fortress that will break Save Compatability and other fun stuff.

[Warlord255]

There just isn't anyway around that SirPenguin. The problem is that the important bits are burried in a pile of alterations the game needs to work.

To quote Toady: "After the Carrivan Arc" x 100

Right now Toady is focused on changes to Dwarf Fortress that will break Save Compatability and other fun stuff.

Actually, infections and diseases would be one short step farther on the current system.

That said, it's a good idea to make sure the core system works before throwing this wrench into the mix. I'd be fine with accepting "Dwarf will not get out of bed until you perform surgery" for the interim, if a poison release is much shorter.

[CobaltKobold]

One reason for amputation under current is that amputated bits won't be causing pain, stun, etc. now that phantom limb pain is fixed-

(so the original goal which initiated the wound/layer rewrite, getting rid of phantom limb pain and other annoying permanent pain situations, has been met)

if I understand it right, lea'ing it on would make a dwarf's life pain. Job cancellation spam!

[Emeralddragon2]

...Are we going to see societies that use amputation as punishment? It'd be funny to add "Getting a hand chopped off" to punish_severe for things like stealing...

Couldn't we just mod an axe in for the hammerers' weapon in order to do this?

And reading through other posts, I am curious to see if we could make a "pre-requisites" tree schematic for upcoming features to be added, because with this method, it would help reveal other upcoming features/intimate suggestions that are always great icing on the cake. IE, Pre-requisite for amputation will not only include rotting, but cauterizing as well (intentional and unintentional)!

[Kittah_Khan]

Are you people seriously bitching about rotting tissues doing no damage to the rest of the body ?
While, previously, there wasn't even any healthcare beyond lying in a bed while being given water and food.
Nor was there anything approaching complexity in body damage compared to what's in now.

If you want everything to come in at the same time, you're welcome to wait a couple of years, I'd very much like to play THIS version with some simple placeholders.