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[AbuDhabi]

Yay for completed item!

[Areyar]

Looking at the dev list, it looks like the creature raws have been completed from the future.

Does that mean Toady can take tommorrow off?

Say again?
He hacked of some superfuous toes the second of the eighth month... on my calendar that's yesterday.
also, the raws will never be complete in Toadys lifetime. mwahahaha.

[Deimos56]

So...
Can situations arise in which creatures mutually worship each other?
Does it have to be a complicated relationship involving 3+ creatures for such a situation to arise?

Does worship do anything other than stroke the worshiped creature's ego?
Do worshiping being get a happy thought from meeting their worshiped creature/deity?

...I get a  distinct feeling some of these are old questions.

[Thursday Postal]

Does worship do anything other than stroke the worshiped creature's ego?

edit: not saying that this is in the game

Depending on certain traits, the worshipped object should gain power with the amount of followers and the time it's been worshipped. Or, possibly, something not getting powers at all and turning out to be a sham.. I think worship should produce some sort of number that can enhance the entity being worshiped (if it's got the right tags or whatever).

[James]

Does worship do anything other than stroke the worshiped creature's ego?

edit: not saying that this is in the game

Depending on certain traits, the worshipped object should gain power with the amount of followers and the time it's been worshipped. Or, possibly, something not getting powers at all and turning out to be a sham.. I think worship should produce some sort of number that can enhance the entity being worshiped (if it's got the right tags or whatever).

The concept of gods being powered by worship shows up a lot in fantasy literature, but not at all in myth or legend (as far as I know). Personally, I am not really a fan of it, and hope that Dwarf Fortress doesn't go this route.

Speaking of gods and prayer, maybe that champion thought of the Bronze Colossus as a god of war, and that trying to kill it was the highest form of worship. That's how I prefer to see it.

[Tenebrais]

Hmm, I think the relationship between gods' powers and their worshippers should probably influence (or be influenced by) whatever system Toady ultimately chooses to simulate magic. Since magic won't be for what will almost certainly be a few years at least, it's probably more likely that magic will be influenced by religion than vice versa.


On a completely different note, we need someone good at art to illustrate some of the weirder bugs that come up in development. Toed mermaids! (Toedy ones?)

[Zironic]

He mentioned mermaids. Are they a new addition?

[Aqizzar]

No.  No they are not.

...Loads and loads of toes and toes.

[Granite26]

I heard George Washington had, like, 40 damn.... toes..... erm...

Good Night Everybody!!!

[Man In Zero G]

from the latest devnotes..... so after fighting and losing 3 times, he starts worshipping his enemy.... then carries on to fight another four times? that's some dedication to a goal right there

Perhaps the "worship" was more of an obsession, causing him to ceaselessly follow the beast and try to rid the world of it.

I was thinking that myself... some sort of reverse stockholm syndrome perhaps.

Worship does not always mean "Let's build a temple and sing the praises of Flamethrower McArsonist the Almighty Dragon!" It can just as appropriately mean "OH SHI- It's Flamethrower McArsonist! Quick, get together a sacrifice and maybe he won't burn our town down again this year!"
At least that's the way I see the megabeast worship happening as it is now.

[Thursday Postal]

The concept of gods being powered by worship shows up a lot in fantasy literature, but not at all in myth or legend (as far as I know).

Well, it's probably just a reversal of reality: The most powerful/prolific gods are worshiped the most, which would probably be the case in DF anyway in regards to megabeasts, the ones showing up the most get worshiped the most.

[ManaUser]

The concept of gods being powered by worship shows up a lot in fantasy literature, but not at all in myth or legend (as far as I know).

Well, it's probably just a reversal of reality: The most powerful/prolific gods are worshiped the most, which would probably be the case in DF anyway in regards to megabeasts, the ones showing up the most get worshiped the most.

That's not a reversal at all. IRL, gods have no power whatever outside of their worshipers. Seeing as this is a fantasy game, one might expect to see gods who actually had powers. The idea is to maintain the same basic dynamic while making things more interesting.

Another appealing aspect of the worship-powered god model is that it explains why gods care if they are worshiped. Otherwise that's a little puzzling. Here you are some omnipotent being, why would you care what some puny human (or dwarf) thinks?

That said, this works best as a behind the scenes mechanic IMHO. Inhabitants of the world would most likely not understand that gods need their faith/worship for power.

[Topace3k]

Questions for Toady:

1)  With the new material system, squad update, preliminary combat system, and formations, I'd like to address an issue.  It seems that single, highly-trained creatures receive excessive combat bonuses at high skill levels, meaning that even when surrounded by larger, powerful, somewhat skilled enemies they cannot be touched.  Is there any possibility of granting additional advantages to enemies with massive numerical strength?  Maybe additional rear and side attack bonuses, maybe a horde bonus (especially for antmen, ratmen, etc)?  Legendary-level dwarves are just too untouchable right now.

2)  What is planned for the caves/explorable areas in adventure mode for this release?  I know they have to be redone; any chance of incorporating some of the new fun stuff into adventure mode?  I'd love to see the new HFS skulking around the depths of an abandoned fortress upon exploration.

3)  Keep up the good work!  Your effort is truly a singular and commendable endeavor; already an achievement that would put any mainstream game developer to shame.

[James.Denholm]

3)  Keep up the good work!  Your effort is truly a singular and commendable endeavor; already an achievement that would put any mainstream game developer to shame.

That's not a question.

Anyways, I've been thinking about the whole selective-killing (the correct word fails me now) thing and the player being able to set specific targets for their military dwarves, and it got me thinking.

Toady: Will the player be able to designate their own dwarves as targets?
Also, have you considered allowing the player to possibly be able to order the dwarves to only damage a target to a certain point, as in, to rough them up a little, but not kill them?

The main point of the other part is that I might not necessarily have to kill beardless dwarves, but simply damage them to a point where they will never be able to breed, but still be able to haul stone. Which, in some ways, is rather brutal, but in others, is quite efficient.

[Rockphed]

Toady: Will the player be able to designate their own dwarves as targets?
Also, have you considered allowing the player to possibly be able to order the dwarves to only damage a target to a certain point, as in, to rough them up a little, but not kill them?

The main point of the other part is that I might not necessarily have to kill beardless dwarves, but simply damage them to a point where they will never be able to breed, but still be able to haul stone. Which, in some ways, is rather brutal, but in others, is quite efficient.

Toady said, somewhere, that your own dwarves will not be valid targets for kill orders.  Whether or not you can "just rough somebody up" I do not know.