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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2009, 05:34:10 pm »

Toady, just reading over some of the goals... its like the night before christmas, with sugar plums dancing in my head!  ("Its almost toooo good. Mind Blasting!")   

Reflecting for a min; I am stun at how good of a game, of a world, that has been created by the two of you guys.  Through hard work and smarts... Really, really impressive.

I find for myself, when I am sitting in class at university and I start to day dream... I use what you guys have done as a platform for inspiration. (Such as, instead of dwarfs, make the workers Robots, with human overlords, trying to conolize a new world thats been randomly genereated with multiple fractions existing in space with relationships that vary.  Or, creating a modern day prision for the worlds super villians while trying to also turn a profit.  That, and just trying to plan a better fortress...)

Anyway... I am really looking forward to the future of Dwarf Fortress.

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« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2009, 05:37:45 pm »

I'm liking this list a lot. It's nice being able to see what we have to look forward to, even if it does change slightly.


I was wondering, though, Toady: Are there any plans in the near future to fix the issue of dwarves (especially military) leaving their clothes all over the place? I know you've probably been asked before, but I can't recall. And what about wrestling experience? I have no personal experience to back that up, but I've been hearing that in recent versions, wrestling gives out way too much EXP.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2009, 05:43:06 pm »

Just wanted to give my encouragement as well as state how utterly excited I am for this release. Keep up the great work guys! I absolutely cannot wait :)
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2009, 05:50:45 pm »

The hydra test, IIRC, is just a test to make sure that multi-headed critters work properly.  For example, for a hydra, you mythologically would expect it to keep kicking until you cut off ALL its heads.  Right now though, I believe cutting off any one head will kill it.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2009, 06:05:27 pm »

This is SENSATIONAL.  ;D
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2009, 06:27:29 pm »

I love me some Dwarf Fortress. I already was, of course, but now even more so. =D

I really need to get to donating some money to this great and wonderful cause.
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« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2009, 06:37:47 pm »

Brilliant, god-like work, if God gave regular updates, and hadn't killed all the unicorns...
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2009, 07:04:49 pm »

I must admit to confusion on reading about "variable material dragonbreath", my first thought was "stonebreath?"
Now I've read some of your ideas on the matter, it seems obvious this would become "magma breath" etc.
liquid gold blood etc would be limited to demons and magmacritters I assume?
Not that I'm against things such as diamond bones and such stuff, but logic demands that a creature that has a bodytemperature hot enough to boil gold would be pretty hazardous to be near for a people more used to temperatures where water is liquid instead.

I foresee another !!pigtail sock!! issue with dwarfs running out to retrieve a piping hot 'gold carp corpse' for 'extraction'. Gold fever hath never been more deadly! :D
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2009, 07:07:49 pm »

It looks like the next update is going to be well worth the wait.  One thing that caught my eye was this:
Loosen up restrictions on changing elite soldiers

Presumably this refers to transferring troops between branches of the military, but I hope it will also allow for demobilising some dwarves that can't be demobilised now, in particular I'd like to have the option of removing dwarves with legendary civilian skills or the ambusher skill from the military.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2009, 07:32:27 pm »

I must admit to confusion on reading about "variable material dragonbreath", my first thought was "stonebreath?"
Now I've read some of your ideas on the matter, it seems obvious this would become "magma breath" etc.

It could still be stone powder breath.  Maybe the breathed material could default to room temperature unless the attack specifies a temperature.
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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2009, 07:36:23 pm »

Could be asbestos, too.
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« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2009, 08:24:18 pm »

I was wondering, though, Toady: Are there any plans in the near future to fix the issue of dwarves (especially military) leaving their clothes all over the place? I know you've probably been asked before, but I can't recall.


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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2009, 08:31:00 pm »

Toady actually addressed this in the latest wall of text.


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Hmm...speaking of wrestling, will the new squad equipment orders make wrestlers put back on all the cloths that they take off each other eventually?

There's a notion on the remaining list of them sorting their equipment out, and this was one of the possibilities, though I'm not able to guarantee this particular one.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2009, 08:40:03 pm »

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About the Underground Stuff - obviously you can't give details yet, but will these special features rely on a lot of built in coding like the Pits do now?  Will there be any provision for modders in that regard, or is it not possible to alter that sort of thing from our end?

I think some stuff is going to come out, but there will still be quite a bit of hard-coding.  Things like antmen nests (one of the few things I've mentioned in posts) will definitely need a lot of interaction with the raws.  Quite a bit of this will be experimental (not implying odd or even that new, just that much of it will be like the standard features, but done in a new way code-wise), so that'll very likely remain hard-coded until I feel good enough about the syntax to come up with a raw format for it.  When I start making tie-ins to the random sphere regions and so on, which'll eventually be important for how the underground plays out, I really don't know which way things will go, as the notions behind spheres are fundamental yet involved, which is the sort of thing coding is better at, (not saying that raw derived/custom spheres are out, of course).  Like personality facets and attributes, it's much easier to sprinkle effects throughout the code without worrying about mimicking that behavior back in the txt file.

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How about something similar to the waterwell, but allowing a single dwarf to descend/ascend with bucket?

It's almost irresistably cute, but that sort of thing will likely have to wait until I make another push on mechanisms.  Last I checked, that was doing pretty well in the suggestion voting, so we might see something there on the release after this next one, though it'd be too premature to commit now.

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I wonder what 'update guards' is about?

Most of the ones with "update" in front just mean that some underlying stuff has changed (in this case, the different guard notions have been brought out into the raws), and the behaviors that were already in the game need to be made to work again.

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Will the units actually USE [weapon racks and armor stands]? Hanging up their gear and switching to civilian clothing while of duty or what?

That's the idea, yeah.  Having their own stands should significantly cut down on the wandering around.

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Yeah this part is more or less done.  For zombies, it just rots the same tissues that are flagged as rottable for regular rotting, and for skeletons I believe it removes the rottables completely and drops off any part that is no longer connected after that process is completely.  I think there's some sort of CANNOT_UNDEAD tag for creatures that shouldn't, but I've probably forgotten it everywhere.

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Well,the biggest difference will be that features can overlap at different levels.

Yeah, it's easier to cram things in when you are free of the one-per-(x,y)-coordinate restriction.  I was worried a bit about the limited Z levels, but I think the recent 15-or-so-deep HFS releases have alleviated that somewhat.  I can make things lower, a bit, but there's plenty of room within several slices that boxing you in on several sides and given you several large layers of wholesome mystery below shouldn't be too restrictive.

That said, this was also one of those world gen param thingies...  some people wanted hidden out-of-place civilizations at every turn, some people wanted something that felt like 2D, some people wanted *something* as long as there was something, and I'm sure there are a few quiet people out there that just want to dig in the rock and not be bothered by weird crap at all with the possible exception of a few outside threats.  I'm going to try to keep it versatile.

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I was wondering, though, Toady: Are there any plans in the near future to fix the issue of dwarves (especially military) leaving their clothes all over the place? I know you've probably been asked before, but I can't recall. And what about wrestling experience? I have no personal experience to back that up, but I've been hearing that in recent versions, wrestling gives out way too much EXP.

I'm hoping the equipment part will be handled by their standing-down and training equipment behaviors, so they can just try to keep their crap together both during their downtime and after practices where it's likely to have gotten screwed up, but it'll be hard to guarantee specifics.  I know wrestling is particularly annoying now...  and it's way too easy to just rip somebody's pants off.

Under "Personality effects on training", I had a note about skill gain speeds, so I'm at least going to check it out when I work on that.  We'll have to see if there are any practical changes.  I'll put an additional note for a wrestling check.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2009, 09:03:10 pm »

Wow; everything in the squad and health care lists. This new update will pretty much make DF as good as I have thus far wanted it to be. I'm going to have tons of fun setting up mini barracks with their own patrols and farms way out in the middle of nowhere to try and flush out ambushes.
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