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[SirPenguin]

I doubt Toady would throw it away, i mean, why discard such perfectly good code, especially since he seems to feel that it handles the graphics better than his original graphics code did.

SirPenguin obviously just meant "thrown out the window" for this release, not discarded entirely.

Right, exactly. I think the later d# versions have shown there's still a good amount of work that needs to be done there. Indeed, Baughn himself seemed to suggest this very thing recently, though of course it was in passing (as in, not a confirmation of anything)

[Lancensis]

Also, it's several miles of crust before you hit the mantle, and you'd die from the heat long before you reached it. In order to accurately represent that you'd need like ten thousand z levels or something atrocious like that.

You're also assuming an earthlike world, since DF is fantasy with a magical base (that will grow stronger when properly implimented) it's entirely possible that DF worlds are in fact, flat sqarish 2d planes of arbitrary depth.

Didn't the game tell you were approaching the centre of the earth, back in 2D, if you scrolled off the edge of the map? So the centre of the Dwarves' worlds is to the east....hmmm. They must be...living perpendicular to the equator of a spherical world

[Neruz]

Also, it's several miles of crust before you hit the mantle, and you'd die from the heat long before you reached it. In order to accurately represent that you'd need like ten thousand z levels or something atrocious like that.

You're also assuming an earthlike world, since DF is fantasy with a magical base (that will grow stronger when properly implimented) it's entirely possible that DF worlds are in fact, flat sqarish 2d planes of arbitrary depth.

Didn't the game tell you were approaching the centre of the earth, back in 2D, if you scrolled off the edge of the map? So the centre of the Dwarves' worlds is to the east....hmmm. They must be...living perpendicular to the equator of a spherical world

Well i guess the old 2D DF worlds were cylinders with a flat plane radiating out from the center. The Dorfs start on that plane and then dig into the cylinder towards it's core.

[Lemunde]

So the implication is that you can always dig down far enough to hit magma. Is there a point, far enough down, that you would find nothing but endless magma, like reaching the planet's mantle?

Almost certainly not. Fundamental assumptions of the game's engine would have to change, and there's little benefit there.

Indeed, such an area would cause an instant cave-in.


Also, it's several miles of crust before you hit the mantle, and you'd die from the heat long before you reached it. In order to accurately represent that you'd need like ten thousand z levels or something atrocious like that.

You're also assuming an earthlike world, since DF is fantasy with a magical base (that will grow stronger when properly implimented) it's entirely possible that DF worlds are in fact, flat sqarish 2d planes of arbitrary depth.

ERAU QSSI DLRO WEHT

[Neruz]

Wat

[dragnar]

It seem to be an issue with the hydra neck.

No no no, he was simply going for the wrong neck. The original hydra had one immortal head, and was never truly killed, just trapped under a rock. To defeat one in DF you would have to distract it long enough to build a wall around it... Which would actually be a rather epic way of dealing with megabeasts.

[Lemunde]

Wat

Just an obscure reference that I doubt anyone will get.  This does bring up an interesting point though.  Where are the polar regions in such a world?

[Neruz]

Also i just realised, if we assume similar ocean depth in DF to the wurld, then a Z level of 0 is around 10,000m (assuming a Z level of 0 is the deepest possible, if 'rifts' can go deeper, then it would be around 5,000m)

It's then 100 Z levels to land, so from this we can conclude that a Z level is 50 - 100 meters!

We can then also conclude that it is 10,000 - 20,000m from sea level to the base of mountains, and that the mountains are up to 5,000 - 10,000m high from their bases.


From this we can conclude that the DF world is extremely pointy.




As for the cylindrical world, it would have to have a fixed heat source. It's equatorial region would then be fixed towards the heat source, and the polar region away from it. If we then have a secondary heat\light source that orbits the world (as the first source is only heat, no light) then we have day\night and seasonal variation.

[nenjin]

Just an obscure reference that I doubt anyone will get.  This does bring up an interesting point though.  Where are the polar regions in such a world?

Populous?

Anyways, I think the world gen doesn't make the assumption that climate works the same in a gen'd world as it does in the real world. Otherwise we'd end up with most seeds having the polar regions at the ends of the map...which we don't.

[John Keel]

Also i just realised, if we assume similar ocean depth in DF to the wurld, then a Z level of 0 is around 10,000m (assuming a Z level of 0 is the deepest possible, if 'rifts' can go deeper, then it would be around 5,000m)

It's then 100 Z levels to land, so from this we can conclude that a Z level is 50 - 100 meters!

We can then also conclude that it is 10,000 - 20,000m from sea level to the base of mountains, and that the mountains are up to 5,000 - 10,000m high from their bases.

But if things can fall 50-100 meters without splatting, then we can also conclude that dwarves are hardier than previously thought, or there's very little gravity.

[MonkeyMeat]

Wat

Just an obscure reference that I doubt anyone will get.  This does bring up an interesting point though.  Where are the polar regions in such a world?

"ERAU QSSI DLRO WEHT" is "THEW ORLD ISSQ UARE" backwards. The World is Square.

[Malicus]

Wat

Just an obscure reference that I doubt anyone will get.  This does bring up an interesting point though.  Where are the polar regions in such a world?

"ERAU QSSI DLRO WEHT" is "THEW ORLD ISSQ UARE" backwards. The World is Square.

...I can't believe I didn't get that reference.  Then again, I haven't played FF6 for quite some time.

[madman]

doubt Toady would throw it away, i mean, why discard such perfectly good code, especially since he seems to feel that it handles the graphics better than his original graphics code did.

I'm sure he wouldn't throw it away. It's just that most other people would be celebrating a release, and I'd still be waiting - the new graphics code really is that much of an improvement for me.

[Quietust]

ERAU QSSI DLRO WEHT

I see what you did there. It goes quite nicely with your avatar.

[MrWiggles]

Quietust, I never got that note.