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[Orkel]

Oh right, forgot to ask:
How does armor coverage work? I remember someone said that in the next version, breastplates will have less coverage. Does this mean that a strike has a larger chance of hitting next to the armor, rendering it useless? Or does it increase damage? How does it work?

[Quatch]

The reclaim part I'd love to see "fixed"...

That's actually one of my favorite parts about reclaiming....

Hence the quotes. I am sure many people enjoy it. I wouldn't mind it occurring occasionally, but every time is irksome. Together it means I don't bother with reclaim.

[Footkerchief]

Oh right, forgot to ask:
How does armor coverage work? I remember someone said that in the next version, breastplates will have less coverage. Does this mean that a strike has a larger chance of hitting next to the armor, rendering it useless? Or does it increase damage? How does it work?

Their UBSTEP and LBSTEP have been lowered from 1 to 0.  This means that the current version's best torso armor is like a breastplate with pauldrons and tassets (probably the wrong terms), which protects the torso and to a lesser extent the upper arms and legs (I think), but the next version's equivalent is just a breastplate -- it only protects the torso.  However, chain mail (now "mail shirt") has retained its UBSTEP and LBSTEP, giving you even more reason to wear it under plate.

[Orkel]

Oh right, forgot to ask:
How does armor coverage work? I remember someone said that in the next version, breastplates will have less coverage. Does this mean that a strike has a larger chance of hitting next to the armor, rendering it useless? Or does it increase damage? How does it work?

Their UBSTEP and LBSTEP have been lowered from 1 to 0.  This means that the current version's best torso armor is like a breastplate with pauldrons and tassets (probably the wrong terms), which protects the torso and to a lesser extent the upper arms and legs (I think), but the next version's equivalent is just a breastplate -- it only protects the torso.  However, chain mail (now "mail shirt") has retained its UBSTEP and LBSTEP, giving you even more reason to wear it under plate.

Woah, I had no idea armor worked like that. I thought the arms were protected by gloves and the entire leg was protected by leggings/greaves. I thought the current plate mail protected only the torso. But I like how that new system works, because it's more realistic.

[CobaltKobold]

Orkel: It's not a new system. But the torso-armor gets upper arms/legs and the gauntlets get lower arms (I think).

how exactly did footkerchief gain such power and influence on this forum?

Because people defer to him.

Really, he has none other than social, it's just that he groks the search function and has enough memory (or possibly notes) to at least know a full index of what goes on here by actually watching it.

We can only presume he has [POWER] in him somewhere.

I wonder if we can test him for tags ... i guess [NOBLEED] and [NOPAIN] would be easy, similary for [NOBREATHE] and similar obvious tests, but how would we test him for [MAXAGE] or [PET_EXOTIC]?

DMS exist, the kennel hasn't queued him up. as for [MAXAGE], only time will tell.

Also [NOPAIN] isn't necessarily as easy to test without being able to look at his wounds screen. But, we really shouldn't.

[timmeh]

Sorry to jump back a few pages, but when I noticed this a few days ago the idea of having DF output XML files sparked my interest, so I've written a simple program that converts the current files to XML (just the site&pop/history for the moment). 

Discussion Topic

Back semi-on-topic: Are there any changes made to the sites_and_population or world_history files for the next version?

[Mel_Vixen]

Nice timmeh but actually the next version will export more things then the actual one. Appearances etc. i guess (footkerchief back me up on this please!). Having that pre-formated would be rather nice.

[naufrago]

So, I just now looked at the dev_now logs and noticed this entry-

02/26/2010: ...There was kind of a violent explosion of boiling human blood when I was testing a human vs a magma man in the arena... it was a little weird, but I guess that's okay.

I think a possible way to fix this would be to introduce specific heat capacity, conductivity, and how much volume of a material there is in a given amount of space (like in a tile, in a creature, or a limb). I've only recently become interested in the game and don't know everything there is to know about dwarf fortress, so I don't know exactly what the current implementation is.

It would be cumbersome to manage in all cases, but if you limit the calculations to when creatures come in contact with other materials, it would help limit the processing load while preventing somewhat unrealistic scenarios like the one described in your entry. Now that I think about it, that would still probably require a ton of computations, so maybe limit it to combat scenarios with particularly hot or cold creatures, or when taking a swim in hot or cold liquids. *shrug* The solution may not provide much benefit for the necessary work, but it could help add another layer of physics realism that you could maybe make use of at some point.

[MrWiggles]

So, I just now looked at the dev_now logs and noticed this entry-

02/26/2010: ...There was kind of a violent explosion of boiling human blood when I was testing a human vs a magma man in the arena... it was a little weird, but I guess that's okay.

I think a possible way to fix this would be to introduce specific heat capacity, conductivity, and how much volume of a material there is in a given amount of space (like in a tile, in a creature, or a limb). I've only recently become interested in the game and don't know everything there is to know about dwarf fortress, so I don't know exactly what the current implementation is.

It would be cumbersome to manage in all cases, but if you limit the calculations to when creatures come in contact with other materials, it would help limit the processing load while preventing somewhat unrealistic scenarios like the one described in your entry. Now that I think about it, that would still probably require a ton of computations, so maybe limit it to combat scenarios with particularly hot or cold creatures, or when taking a swim in hot or cold liquids. *shrug* The solution may not provide much benefit for the necessary work, but it could help add another layer of physics realism that you could maybe make use of at some point.

There is specific heat capacity is already there. Conductivity is gonna be fixed this release, as magma men didnt melt with those they wrestled. Now they do! ^_^

[naufrago]

So, I just now looked at the dev_now logs and noticed this entry-

02/26/2010: ...There was kind of a violent explosion of boiling human blood when I was testing a human vs a magma man in the arena... it was a little weird, but I guess that's okay.

I think a possible way to fix this would be to introduce specific heat capacity, conductivity, and how much volume of a material there is in a given amount of space (like in a tile, in a creature, or a limb). I've only recently become interested in the game and don't know everything there is to know about dwarf fortress, so I don't know exactly what the current implementation is.

It would be cumbersome to manage in all cases, but if you limit the calculations to when creatures come in contact with other materials, it would help limit the processing load while preventing somewhat unrealistic scenarios like the one described in your entry. Now that I think about it, that would still probably require a ton of computations, so maybe limit it to combat scenarios with particularly hot or cold creatures, or when taking a swim in hot or cold liquids. *shrug* The solution may not provide much benefit for the necessary work, but it could help add another layer of physics realism that you could maybe make use of at some point.

There is specific heat capacity is already there. Conductivity is gonna be fixed this release, as magma men didnt melt with those they wrestled. Now they do! ^_^

oh... well, good to know. Sorry for being ignorant and suggesting something that's already in the game =p

With all that, it seems a bit weird that blood boiling could cause a violent blood explosion.

[Aquillion]

Which gives me a thought:

Has the bug where magma buildings are unbuildable on reclaim been fixed in the new release? I'm sure you and Zach and the other testers have done a few reclaims by now.

Yes, it seems to have been fixed, although I believe there are other issues with reclaim at the moment.

[MrWiggles]

So, I just now looked at the dev_now logs and noticed this entry-

02/26/2010: ...There was kind of a violent explosion of boiling human blood when I was testing a human vs a magma man in the arena... it was a little weird, but I guess that's okay.

I think a possible way to fix this would be to introduce specific heat capacity, conductivity, and how much volume of a material there is in a given amount of space (like in a tile, in a creature, or a limb). I've only recently become interested in the game and don't know everything there is to know about dwarf fortress, so I don't know exactly what the current implementation is.

It would be cumbersome to manage in all cases, but if you limit the calculations to when creatures come in contact with other materials, it would help limit the processing load while preventing somewhat unrealistic scenarios like the one described in your entry. Now that I think about it, that would still probably require a ton of computations, so maybe limit it to combat scenarios with particularly hot or cold creatures, or when taking a swim in hot or cold liquids. *shrug* The solution may not provide much benefit for the necessary work, but it could help add another layer of physics realism that you could maybe make use of at some point.

There is specific heat capacity is already there. Conductivity is gonna be fixed this release, as magma men didnt melt with those they wrestled. Now they do! ^_^

oh... well, good to know. Sorry for being ignorant and suggesting something that's already in the game =p

With all that, it seems a bit weird that blood boiling could cause a violent blood explosion.

S'why it was a notable bug. 8b

[Mel_Vixen]

Toady with  new raws and all do we get the chance to set things on fire? I mean on  will and without firebreath, Fire-imp-remains or magma.

Also  ,since i am at fire, i didnt check with the raws but do we have an  "Thermal conductivity" for materials?

I don't  understand the first part.  You can set an ignition point.

I  don't have thermal conductivity at this point, so I think it mostly just  ends up using specific heat for any transition  questions.  Might need to add it later, but I don't really want to  complicate temperature further at this point, since it's already a huge  bottleneck.

[Genoraven]

Thread has been slow for a few days. Did someone check the booze stockpiles? Did someone forget to make new barrels?

[Mel_Vixen]

Thats spring my friend. All the birds and the bees, elves at the trade depot you know? The hormones (we definitly need hormones in one f the next updates) are just cooking over and toady hasnt done a good dev-blog update to keep us focused. That and i guess everyone is waiting for a good theme.