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[gtmattz]

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Today we wanted to see how the hospital zones worked out over there in a real fortress environment, so Zach took his fort and made a dwarf-dropping device. After a few false starts, we got a dwarf with a compound fracture in his left hand. One of the caretakers wanted to clean the dwarf off but kept dumping the water next to the dwarf, over and over. Once that was sorted out, surgery began. The dwarf Zach had selected didn't have any surgical experience. As I was watching, blood splattered on the walls and floor, and another dwarf ran over to diagnose the patient again, while the dabbling surgeon moved between repairing the compound fracture and trying to stop bleeding from malpractice. Eventually it was time to suture up the wound, and the dabbling surgeon did this... then again... then again... our poor patient had four sutures in his left wrist before I got the bug figured out. Bandaging worked out fine, but I had screwed up the meal requests for patients that can move under their own power, so while the patient was waiting for a splint to be constructed in the workshops the caretakers left him to die of thirst. I got the splint together just in time, the caretaker put it on correctly, and the patient jumped out of bed and ran to get a drink.

I just have to say that almost made me squirt coffee out my nose...

[Lord Braindead]

After reading this I have the strong urge to build some cage traps and train my doctors surgery skill by dissecting everything that i can squeeze in a cage. Medical experiments on animals gobbos animals are far bether than risking some loony cutting off the limbs of my champions.

Urist McMengele aborted dissecting living elf: cackling madly.

[Mel_Vixen]

Hmmm well we have the job "Catch live animal" or somthing like that on the kennels iirc so we could maybe use living animals and Slaves invaders for "examine living animal" in our custom shop.

[Footkerchief]

Hmmm well we have the job "Catch live animal" or somthing like that on the kennels iirc so we could maybe use living animals and Slaves invaders for "examine living animal" in our custom shop.

Nope, as has been stated a bunch of times, you can't use living non-vermin creatures as a reagent.  The reason it works for corpses is because they're items, not creatures.

[Dekon]

Maybe one possible action of a 'mood' doctor dwarf would be the resurrection of a dead dwarf.

Perhaps a dwarf in a particular bad mood at the time a 'mood' strikes could create a Frankendwarf.

[Gurt02]

Hmmm well we have the job "Catch live animal" or somthing like that on the kennels iirc so we could maybe use living animals and Slaves invaders for "examine living animal" in our custom shop.

Nope, as has been stated a bunch of times, you can't use living non-vermin creatures as a reagent.  The reason it works for corpses is because they're items, not creatures.

Not that I doubt you, but could you point me to where this has been stated by Today, and did he mention anything about live creatures being the products of a custom reaction?

[Diablous]

Maybe one possible action of a 'mood' doctor dwarf would be the resurrection of a dead dwarf.

Perhaps a dwarf in a particular bad mood at the time a 'mood' strikes could create a Frankendwarf.

Probably won't happen in the next version, but Frankendwarf needs to happen one day.

[alfie275]

And just why would it create a mad proffessor? Creating a Frankenstein's-monsterdwarf I could understand.

Try to remember, Frankenstein was the guy who made the monster, not the actual monster.

[Lancensis]

Try to remember, Frankenstein was the guy who made the monster, not the actual monster.

Part of me wants to start this argument, but I know where it will lead.

[Divinebeing]

Try to remember, Frankenstein was the guy who made the monster, not the actual monster.

Part of me wants to start this argument, but I know where it will lead.

In creating the monster; he became the monster!

[Lancensis]

Try to remember, Frankenstein was the guy who made the monster, not the actual monster.

Part of me wants to start this argument, but I know where it will lead.

In creating the monster; he became the monster!

Nah. I'm going to be good. I will point out, however, that never in the book does it state that the creature was created from dead bodyparts, or animated by electricity of any description (although it heavily hints at the latter)

[Footkerchief]

Nope, as has been stated a bunch of times, you can't use living non-vermin creatures as a reagent.  The reason it works for corpses is because they're items, not creatures.

Not that I doubt you, but could you point me to where this has been stated by Today, and did he mention anything about live creatures being the products of a custom reaction?

Best quote I can find:

Will we be able to smelt creatures in the smelter (or any other workshop) in this release?

Nope.  That'll take a significant job handling rewrite.

I think he's talking about using creatures as reagents there -- the "job handling rewrite" is stuff like getting a dwarf to lead a creature to the building.  That wouldn't be a problem if you were producing a creature, and the game does have functions for generating creatures out of thin air, but there's still the obstacle of the reaction's item/material syntax, which only allows you to produce actual items (vermin are items, oddly enough).

[Gurt02]

Try to remember, Frankenstein was the guy who made the monster, not the actual monster.

Part of me wants to start this argument, but I know where it will lead.

In creating the monster; he became the monster!

Nah. I'm going to be good. I will point out, however, that never in the book does it state that the creature was created from dead bodyparts, or animated by electricity of any description (although it heavily hints at the latter)

Actually, it does.  Frankenstein specifically states that he took to grave robbing for parts for both the original and the second (the one he decided against animating) and that the creation process requires a concoction of unnamed materials and liquids, along with the application of an unspecified amount of electricity.

He says this at the beginig of the book, when he says something along the lines of "I can see the wonder in your eyes, no I will not surrender the formula I used, it is a secret I will take to my grave.  Suffice to say that it was a concoction of various materials applied with a large amount of electricity."  I know that's not the exact quote, but it has the same effect (I've had to read this book about three or four different times).

[Lancensis]

He took to grave-robbing for research specimens. If there are any points where he specifically mentions that the creature was constructed from them, or animated by electricity, I may have missed them, but I remember being surprised by their absence

[Gurt02]

Nope, as has been stated a bunch of times, you can't use living non-vermin creatures as a reagent.  The reason it works for corpses is because they're items, not creatures.

Not that I doubt you, but could you point me to where this has been stated by Today, and did he mention anything about live creatures being the products of a custom reaction?

Best quote I can find:

Will we be able to smelt creatures in the smelter (or any other workshop) in this release?

Nope.  That'll take a significant job handling rewrite.

I think he's talking about using creatures as reagents there -- the "job handling rewrite" is stuff like getting a dwarf to lead a creature to the building.  That wouldn't be a problem if you were producing a creature, and the game does have functions for generating creatures out of thin air, but there's still the obstacle of the reaction's item/material syntax, which only allows you to produce actual items (vermin are items, oddly enough).

Can't help but notice that Pets are items on that list, perhaps the fact that they all come out to be vermin (as of 40d) is a bug that could be fixed?

More likely it is used as distinction between tame and wild vermin, but can vermin even be tamed?