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[Dwarfu]

Go ahead.

I've started about 20 "last one"s since I said I couldn't start another with the release so close.

Use it to plan out your new barracks, hospital, soap industry, defenses, new noble quarters...or just to kill elves.

Go ahead.  You know you want to.  Try it.

[Hondo]

I made a throwaway fort to test a layout idea for the next version, but the main thing I learned was that a waterfall mist system is simply not worth the FPS hit I get. Which is nice to know before I make a "real" fort and spend a lot of time making all the pipes and mechanics.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Heh yeah i was too thinking on the templates. A raw-writer would also a little tool to removed doubled entry and a checking if the raws are not bugged.

That reminds me that i wanted to add one creature too - damn expanded shifts eating my time up.

This reminded me to get back to MY Raw-combining tool. Which will hopefully work better than the built-in creature variations.

[Igfig]

Similarly, could an organ embedded in a particular layer fall out due to damage to surrounding tissue?

This already happens with guts in the current version, but that behavior has been enhanced and expanded:

"[...] refined the contents under pressure characteristics for guts; the ability to grab the exposed guts, attack or sever the exposed guts, the guts getting dirty when they drag on the ground and other such things all came basically for free. There are some dev items on that I guess... you can't yet strangle people with the exposed guts, though I suppose that's now within reach (grabbing the guts now would only open up a pinching attack I think, which would be the least of your adversary's problems)."

Something I was wondering about this:  Is the "contents under pressure" behaviour hard-coded into guts, or is there a way to specify that a body part or tissue layer is under pressure?

[Footkerchief]

Something I was wondering about this:  Is the "contents under pressure" behaviour hard-coded into guts, or is there a way to specify that a body part or tissue layer is under pressure?

It's probably controlled by the [GUTS] body part tag, like in the current version.  I'm not sure whether that tag does anything else, so sticking it on other body parts may have undesired side effects.

[Shima]

Yeah, that under pressure interests me too.  I want to be able to get the neck and heart to spew blood in a pressurized fashion when cut open or pierced.

[Footkerchief]

Yeah, that under pressure interests me too.  I want to be able to get the neck and heart to spew blood in a pressurized fashion when cut open or pierced.

That's already in -- as you can see in the dwarf raws, the neck's skin tissue and the heart tissue are assigned the MAJOR_ARTERIES tissue flag.  The "contents under pressure" thing wouldn't work for that purpose anyway -- that refers to the guts themselves being under pressure ("contents" as in the contents of the abdominal cavity), not the contents of the guts:

I'll do a wall of text again later, but I just wanted to clarify -- the guts themselves are under pressure and pop out (as they do in the current version), it's not the night soil potty inside that is released upon the earth.  Such potty still does not exist.

[Shima]

the neck's skin tissue and the heart tissue are assigned the MAJOR_ARTERIES tissue flag.

Alright, cool.

not the contents of the guts.

Blood's a content, in a way, to the arteries.

[SimRobert2001]

Gah i need to get back to my little "Raw" writing tool. Writing Raws by hand would be rather uneconomic in the next version as i see it - or does toady have a own tool for writing the new Raws?

ARe you guys going to release a raw writer?

in addition:

Do hunters have any different AI so that they will realize the difference between a deer adn an elephant?

[Dr. Hieronymous Alloy]

Sorry if this has already been answered --

Do we know if the new material system will get rid of the various "fireproof wood" effects, like a wooden cage being enough to hold a fire imp, or a glass screw pump being able to pump magma? Will we need to use magma-proof components for high temp applications?

[Shoku]

Gah i need to get back to my little "Raw" writing tool. Writing Raws by hand would be rather uneconomic in the next version as i see it - or does toady have a own tool for writing the new Raws?

ARe you guys going to release a raw writer?

in addition:

Do hunters have any different AI so that they will realize the difference between a deer adn an elephant?

Only way they're smarter now is that they won't go out hunting with a single bolt. If you've got deadly deadly wildlife they're pretty much going to get mauled by it.

Sorry if this has already been answered --

Do we know if the new material system will get rid of the various "fireproof wood" effects, like a wooden cage being enough to hold a fire imp, or a glass screw pump being able to pump magma? Will we need to use magma-proof components for high temp applications?

Actually the glass screw pump is magma proof as constructions made of glass have a higher melting point than glass somehow. You can get magma right on the walkable tile and the pump will be fine.

[Dr. Hieronymous Alloy]

Sorry if this has already been answered --

Do we know if the new material system will get rid of the various "fireproof wood" effects, like a wooden cage being enough to hold a fire imp, or a glass screw pump being able to pump magma? Will we need to use magma-proof components for high temp applications?

Actually the glass screw pump is magma proof as constructions made of glass have a higher melting point than glass somehow. You can get magma right on the walkable tile and the pump will be fine.

Yeah, I've always presumed that was a bug, and it seems like something the new materials system might fix, and force us to use metal screw pumps for magma etc.

[Reese]

Sorry if this has already been answered --

Do we know if the new material system will get rid of the various "fireproof wood" effects, like a wooden cage being enough to hold a fire imp, or a glass screw pump being able to pump magma? Will we need to use magma-proof components for high temp applications?

I'm pretty sure Toady has not messed with that stuff, because I don't think he mentioned it.

[jamoecw]

Sorry if this has already been answered --

Do we know if the new material system will get rid of the various "fireproof wood" effects, like a wooden cage being enough to hold a fire imp, or a glass screw pump being able to pump magma? Will we need to use magma-proof components for high temp applications?

Actually the glass screw pump is magma proof as constructions made of glass have a higher melting point than glass somehow. You can get magma right on the walkable tile and the pump will be fine.

Yeah, I've always presumed that was a bug, and it seems like something the new materials system might fix, and force us to use metal screw pumps for magma etc.

glass generally has a 'melting' point of 1500 °C, which is generally hotter than magma.  silver and gold's melting point fall into to the magma range, so they might be 'magma safe' depending on the temp of the magma.  lead is a prime example of a 'metal' which clearly falls into the melted by magma category.  overall i'd expect that the temps given by toady are at least somewhat accurate, so the question remains if the change in material code results in things like magma safe wood doors and such.

[Beardless]

I made a throwaway fort to test a layout idea for the next version, but the main thing I learned was that a waterfall mist system is simply not worth the FPS hit I get. Which is nice to know before I make a "real" fort and spend a lot of time making all the pipes and mechanics.

Or you could do what I do: Build it anyway, but include an "off" switch. It's the best of both worlds!