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Author Topic: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items  (Read 3663504 times)

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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11805 on: February 03, 2010, 06:28:58 pm »
Weapon question:

Will magazine fed weapons like the Chinese repeating crossbow or the Roman repeating ballista be possible in this release?
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11806 on: February 03, 2010, 06:30:54 pm »
Quote from: Lord Shonus on February 03, 2010, 06:28:58 pm
Weapon question:

Will magazine fed weapons like the Chinese repeating crossbow or the Roman repeating ballista be possible in this release?

Nope.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11807 on: February 03, 2010, 06:33:44 pm »
Quote from: Footkerchief on February 03, 2010, 05:43:21 pm
Quote from: Toady One on December 08, 2009, 01:06:49 am
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Is the penetration size a measure of how far into the body the weapon can cut/pierce?  Like, how many layers and such?

And yeah, the penetration size controls how deep it can go, to avoid other strange things.

Following up on the above: Does penetration depth = (penetration size / contact area)?  If so, why does a morningstar (500/10) penetrate more deeply than a stab from a short sword (2000/50)?

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Quote from: Toady One on November 17, 2009, 10:06:34 am
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well a weapon like a morning star would be swung all out with little control pass the initial swing, it is intended to do as much collateral damage as possible, meanwhile when you stab with a short sword anything more then 3 inches of the blade is just going to get you killed, so you would have more control and less power.

i haven't used a morning star but i have a flanged mace and short sword so that's what im going by with that :)
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11808 on: February 03, 2010, 06:50:41 pm »
Depends on whether we're talking flail or not, doesn't it? not another terminology issue
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11809 on: February 03, 2010, 06:58:23 pm »
Quote from: CobaltKobold on February 03, 2010, 06:50:41 pm
Depends on whether we're talking flail or not, doesn't it? not another terminology issue

hmm no mentions of flails
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11810 on: February 03, 2010, 07:03:02 pm »
"Morningstar" is variously (mis?)used to be "spiked mace" or "spiked flail". I don't know which is intended.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11811 on: February 03, 2010, 07:06:16 pm »
Quote from: CobaltKobold on February 03, 2010, 06:50:41 pm
Depends on whether we're talking flail or not, doesn't it? not another terminology issue

They can both be confused with each other though.

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« Reply #11812 on: February 03, 2010, 07:55:18 pm »
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« Reply #11813 on: February 03, 2010, 08:14:21 pm »
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=47532.msg1011460#msg1011460Moved.

I think we need a FAQ on terms like "Morningstar" "Flail" "Mace" and other blunt weapons.

I figure that penetration depth (and damage) will be based on tissue resistance to the damage type, and the amount of damage. A mace (blunt) should penetrate a rigid tissue fairly well, but be stopped by a deformable one. A sword (sharp) should penetrate and cut a soft tissue. A hammer (impact) should damage and penetrate a weak (as opposed to tough) tissue.

And let's not forget the damage the tissue can do to the sword. I want to see obsidian swords break frequently!

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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11814 on: February 03, 2010, 09:03:29 pm »
Quote from: decius on February 03, 2010, 08:14:21 pm
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=47532.msg1011460#msg1011460Moved.

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Quote from: decius on February 03, 2010, 08:14:21 pm
I figure that penetration depth (and damage) will be based on tissue resistance to the damage type, and the amount of damage.

Oh yes, it definitely will.  I'm pretty sure the "penetration size" in the weapon raws is used to determine the maximum depth, so you can't stab past the hilt etc.

Quote from: decius on February 03, 2010, 08:14:21 pm
And let's not forget the damage the tissue can do to the sword. I want to see obsidian swords break frequently!

I want to as well, but that item got delayed.  It's unclear whether the delayed items will have priority after the release.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11815 on: February 03, 2010, 09:23:25 pm »
Quote from: Footkerchief on February 03, 2010, 09:03:29 pm
Quote from: decius on February 03, 2010, 08:14:21 pm
I figure that penetration depth (and damage) will be based on tissue resistance to the damage type, and the amount of damage.

Oh yes, it definitely will.  I'm pretty sure the "penetration size" in the weapon raws is used to determine the maximum depth, so you can't stab past the hilt etc.

 So a pike's crosspiece would significantly reduce the penetration size. Although I'd expect you could bury your own hand if there wasn't a hilt. Does this mean simple wooden spears would have an a penetration size limited by the spear's length + the length of your arm?
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11816 on: February 03, 2010, 10:23:55 pm »
can we, uh, please not get off topic about penetration depth.  Please?
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« Reply #11817 on: February 03, 2010, 10:26:08 pm »
I don't know... honestly it is like the site has been sucked dry of all creativity and imagination lately.
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« Reply #11818 on: February 03, 2010, 11:08:36 pm »
Quote from: Neonivek on February 03, 2010, 10:26:08 pm
I don't know... honestly it is like the site has been sucked dry of all creativity and imagination lately.

The long release cycle is getting... longer. It is penetratingly painful.

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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #11819 on: February 03, 2010, 11:13:07 pm »
Oh no, please no SCA member weapon debates.  Go back to theoretical physics if you must, but not this.  *sob*
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