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[Sunday]

I predict it'll be released a week after Toady releases it.

That way I won't be disappointed.

[Footkerchief]

Have caste selectors been added to the creature graphics system?  I half suspect that's being put off until work begins on the "Full graphics support" item from ESV (currently standing at #7).  I guess ideally the graphics def would work like the new creature def itself does, where you can specify generic stuff for all castes, then use a SELECT_CASTE block to set graphics for a specific caste's professions etc.  That would make backward compatibility automatic, I think.

[Greiger]

I'm still going with my guess of the new version being released sometime between before and after it is done.

[Mephansteras]

Are we going to be able to make cloth quivers at some point? They show up often enough on migrants and raiders, but we still can't do that ourselves.

[Neonivek]

Are we going to be able to make cloth quivers at some point? They show up often enough on migrants and raiders, but we still can't do that ourselves.

Maybe is has something to do with Bolts... Though maybe not.

[Footkerchief]

Are we going to be able to make cloth quivers at some point? They show up often enough on migrants and raiders, but we still can't do that ourselves.

Yet another of the odd discrepancies between generated equipment and what you can actually make in Fortress Mode.  Let's see: silk/cloth quivers, wood/rock decorations on items, fish leather (which might be a realistic bug)... are there others?

[Neonivek]

Plus some artifacts ignore the rules of materials. (Gem anything)

Though those are artifacts and technically they defy the laws of physics.

[zchris13]

This is Dwarf Fortress.  Physics has no place in a game, except what the creator wills.  Or is a bug, either/or.

[Neonivek]

This is Dwarf Fortress.  Physics has no place in a game, except what the creator wills.  Or is a bug, either/or.

Well what I meant was that Gems, small ones, seem to have the ability to create things many times their own size.

Though I guess Moody Dwarves have the ability to Grow Gems.

Though I realise that "Large Gems" are likely a Place Holder for a more complicated Large Gem System.

[zchris13]

Exactly.  ALPHA RELEASE, BRO.

[Name Lips]

The to-do list is getting so short... I'm excited!

[Footkerchief]

Though I realise that "Large Gems" are likely a Place Holder for a more complicated Large Gem System.

Probably a safe assumption.  Item size variation is slowly but inexorably making its way into the crafting system -- "cloth and thread items have associated lengths/areas now," and we may see something similar for butchery byproducts like bone, to prevent ridiculous stuff like fish bone bolts.

Toady's said before that he's worried detailed clothing sizes would be a burden for the player, but I don't see why, as long as creatures can wear oversize (and slightly undersize) items.  It would be cute to see dwarven children running around in their parents' shirts, etc.  Each clothing item could have one or more relative sizes corresponding to the relsizes of the body parts it's worn on, so a goblin could wear a human's clothing and so on (might get tricky if trying to wear the clothing of a non-humanoid race).  Armor usage might be hampered by ill-fitting armor.

[zchris13]

Don't forget the largest variation possible just went from the kg equivalent to the gram equivalent

[Footkerchief]

Not sure what you're getting at.  Creature size variation is a lot more precise now, yeah, which is good since it reduces rounding error, like if you wanted creatures to be able to wear clothing up to 50% oversize.

Another thought: crafts, toys, weapons etc. should also have variable sizes, and those sizes should be linked to the sizes of the creatures that created for them.  It doesn't make sense for a kobold and a human to use bows of the same size (or power), a giant's ring could serve as a human's bracelet, and so on.

[Neonivek]

Well it isn't JUST race to race it is also age to age that complicates clothing.

Though Cloth clothing should be flexible in terms of who can wear them unless it is form fitting (which could be considered Tailored)

Metal not as much and should take into account layers.

Though this isn't the thread to beat out how making clothing sizes work. Too bad too I was almost into it