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[Cruxador]

You know, I think a more interesting question may be

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how frequently will we have access to infinite magma sources? Magma workshops are all well and good, but you can't flood the world with a puddle.

[Neonivek]

Temptation for questions growing

Anyhow one issue you will find Cruxador is that access to these resources will be continuously dangerous. Highly rewarding! But they carry equal increasing risk.

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You know, I think a more interesting question may be

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how frequently will we have access to infinite magma sources? Magma workshops are all well and good, but you can't flood the world with a puddle.

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He's probably not going to tell you, but seriously, magma lakes in the deep awful places are pretty much a given. 

[smjjames]

You know, I think a more interesting question may be

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how frequently will we have access to infinite magma sources? Magma workshops are all well and good, but you can't flood the world with a puddle.

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He's probably not going to tell you, but seriously, magma lakes in the deep awful places are pretty much a given. 

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There are also hints at possibly magma oceans (rumor alert on the magma oceans, so don't take that too seriously) underground or large magma lakes which are effectively the mantle poking up near the surface. See volcanic hot spots and magma plumes for real world examples.

[Cruxador]

You know, I think a more interesting question may be

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how frequently will we have access to infinite magma sources? Magma workshops are all well and good, but you can't flood the world with a puddle.

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He's probably not going to tell you, but seriously, magma lakes in the deep awful places are pretty much a given. 

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Oh, I know that some amount of such things will be present, I'm just hoping that getting a feature which uses the "magma flow" tiles will be near a given. They're not explicitly necessary for anything, but it's a lot of fun to set something up which can flood your entryway in an emergency, an obsidian farms / obsidian casting are kind of impractical if you run out of magma quickly. If you put a lot of work into a fort, and then discover that those upper-level things will never be feasible to you, well... that'd be kind of a bummer.

[Footkerchief]

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Oh, I know that some amount of such things will be present, I'm just hoping that getting a feature which uses the "magma flow" tiles will be near a given. They're not explicitly necessary for anything, but it's a lot of fun to set something up which can flood your entryway in an emergency, an obsidian farms / obsidian casting are kind of impractical if you run out of magma quickly. If you put a lot of work into a fort, and then discover that those upper-level things will never be feasible to you, well... that'd be kind of a bummer.

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The "magma flow" tiles might show up, but what's almost guaranteed is magma lakes that replenish from the sides of the map.  Toady's discussed how some new water features will get replenished that way, and how underground creatures will arrive via caverns/tunnels that go off the side of the map.  So I'm expecting that same approach to show up for magma.

[Shoku]

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Oh, I know that some amount of such things will be present, I'm just hoping that getting a feature which uses the "magma flow" tiles will be near a given. They're not explicitly necessary for anything, but it's a lot of fun to set something up which can flood your entryway in an emergency, an obsidian farms / obsidian casting are kind of impractical if you run out of magma quickly. If you put a lot of work into a fort, and then discover that those upper-level things will never be feasible to you, well... that'd be kind of a bummer.

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The "magma flow" tiles might show up, but what's almost guaranteed is magma lakes that replenish from the sides of the map.  Toady's discussed how some new water features will get replenished that way, and how underground creatures will arrive via caverns/tunnels that go off the side of the map.  So I'm expecting that same approach to show up for magma.

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I'm just hoping we won't have to deal with magma aquifers. Having layers of stone over them would make it easier to drop into them so long as your stone tiles don't switch to aquifer type, but still.

I'm also kind of curious about how breaking into these layers will work. If you open them up making a down stair and it's over open area you stay safe against anything that can't fly (or hop up a level) and once you've found a spot you can tunnel down through you'd be able to well enough air-lock to place you break into the layer from.

For open spots on the edges and things like underground forests or farmable areas it sounds like these are going to be open enough spaces that we can expect to stairs down into the fairly open instead of the "oh no, I need to wall up that tunnel" sideways discoveries we're used to with current HFS.

[Shoku]

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Though walling up the tunnel wasn't something Toady wanted us to have to do anyway.

With things coming from the edge of the map down there we'll be able to claim things as a "perfectly safe" area after we've explored enough to decide where we'd like to build a wall anyway.

[CobaltKobold]

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I'm just hoping we won't have to deal with magma aquifers. Having layers of stone over them would make it easier to drop into them so long as your stone tiles don't switch to aquifer type, but still.

and now I soooo want one.

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I think what Razzums actually was asking for was for Toady to include a way to designate any creature (or maybe item/constructions too) as an 'enemy of the state' (e.g. targeted for attack/destruction), not an dissertation on why training in non-lethal.

My reading comprehension plummets before I'm about to fall asleep :b

Otherwise the most clean method his desired mode of execution would be:
Including an Arena-roomtype.
On which tiles sparring occurs, while attracting onlookers (suggest this also occurs at normal sparring) that gain a happy or unhappy thought depending on personality. an arena room could have a toggle for lethal/non-lethal combat.
Such a room will probably be on the drawingboard, but not likely for this release. Army arc most probably.

[I hope Toady1 reads the above suggestions if the designs are not on the board yet. ]

Well I remember having mention of being able to just flag otherwise friendly units to be attacked so you could set this up by just locking two dwarves into a room and then flagging the one or both.

Onlookers getting happy thoughts as if attending a stadium event could be pulled off by just making it a modified version of party but the stadium set up implies a multi-level room so there is pathing separation between the combat and the onlookers so that would be a ways away if ever intended.

Hmm. yeah that is mostly how I've built my arenas as well.
No elevation restrictions in cagefights though!
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[Dante]

Toady's sleeping will get worse the colder it gets.

Can't speak for him but yeah, I'm having to crank my own sleeping schedule back so that I get enough sun to not feel like crap.

Interesting. I prefer the winter. It's summer over here now, and my sleep is suffering as a result. Heat keeps me awake until heat exhaustion hits, and then I oversleep.

Anyhow one issue you will find Cruxador is that access to these resources will be continuously dangerous. Highly rewarding! But they carry equal increasing risk.

Yeah, I think the possibility of re-walling will pretty much dispel any such risk. It'll just mean that poking around searching for the stuff may be a hassle.

[Rowanas]

Toady's sleeping will get worse the colder it gets.

Can't speak for him but yeah, I'm having to crank my own sleeping schedule back so that I get enough sun to not feel like crap.

Interesting. I prefer the winter. It's summer over here now, and my sleep is suffering as a result. Heat keeps me awake until heat exhaustion hits, and then I oversleep.

Me too. Fortunately winter has begun here, so I do exercise, walk everywhere and don't look so out of place in my trenchcoat .

[Neonivek]

Yeah, I think the possibility of re-walling will pretty much dispel any such risk

Not entirely but definately a lot of the continuous risk unless you chose to explore further.

[Neruz]

Yeah, I think the possibility of re-walling will pretty much dispel any such risk

Not entirely but definately a lot of the continuous risk unless you chose to explore further.

You'll still have to clean it out the first time, and then fend off monsties while building the wall.

And we have examples of the animalmen riding flying mounts, so it might be quite difficult to entirely wall off your fort.

[DG]

Toady, are the worlds generated by DF meant to be spherical or are they random? Your comment about worlds currently only having one pole made me wonder.

They are flat. Although rivers do enter and exit the map along with edge oceans.

You may be confusing the religion spheres, which are currently limited to the gods, HFS, demons (not the HFS ones, the ones that control demon civs), and to an extent the good and evil regions. It will be expanded in the next release.

Ah, yeah, I probably shouldn't have used the term spherical alone because I can see how it'd cloud my question. I mean does he intend in the future to have worlds be spherical planets as we know them or will they be randomized to some extent. It's been said that DF will act as a quasi-fantasy-story generator and if I think back to most fantasy stories I've read they only provide you with a snapshot of the region(s) where the story is taking place while rarely bothering to define the whole world. So in a way DF is providing a map a lot like a fantasy novel would. You don't know how the world continues on further past the edges of the map you've been provided, whether it's spherical or a giant cosmic table top with an edge you can fall off of.

[PTTG??]

Mostly it's no fun to fall of the edge, but you get such a great view of the elephants.


I for one hope that the cosmology of the Dwarf Fortress universe(s) gets developed a little more. I imagine that even the structure of the world could be variable; In some, the world is a flat plain, in others, it's a curled hoop, or a sphere, or an inverted sphere, or a cube who's edges are cliffs as tall as the world is wide, or literally soil clinging to the crags of the enormous round shell of a giant vomit blob creature. The gameplay effects would be subtle; A toroidal world would have no pole, but only another way around...

This could go along with the random poetry/music generator; a creation story generator.

"Urist McGod slayed the Heron of the Windyness of Dawn, and from it's entrails made the first Dwarf. But the Demon Wumblok the Shaft of Slime stole the secret of creation from Urist, and created Kobolds..."

Something like that could easily come from a random generator and still be twice a realistic as some of some certain real creation stories...