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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4125 on: August 25, 2009, 11:17:20 am »
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This may be a little ghoulish, but..

Could you alter the raws to make trees from a vascular material such as, say, entrails? If you do, will they bleed when you chop them down?

Unfortunately vascularity is a property of a tissue, not a material, and trees/plants won't have tissues yet in the upcoming version.

Someone could still easily make a tree-like creature. It would still be mobile though. I know you can slow down a creatures movements in the raws, but not sure about keeping actual movement separate from combat speed.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4126 on: August 25, 2009, 12:25:49 pm »
I can't wait for this new arena creature-testing thing. It will be of great use creating new creatures and it will be awesome to just sit back and watch.  ;D
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4127 on: August 25, 2009, 01:02:57 pm »
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In today's dev_now Toady mentioned dragons with negative size becoming formless ghosts... What does this mean? If I give my dwarfs size -1 will they be immune to attacks and unable to attack... But still able to move things around and do non combat jobs...
Could we make a caste of elves... Like wisps, intangable but useful...



My question about that is: Why is size kept as a signed value in the first place? My first guess is that negative size values are intended FOR things that are meant to be formless/ethereal or something like that, and my second guess is "whoops".

It could be Toady is planning to have negative size denote something (like you say, formless/ethereal).  Signed value for unsigned stuff can help with error detection (in this case, size shouldn't be negative, if it is, something is wrong with the calculation to cause it to overflow).
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4128 on: August 25, 2009, 01:54:28 pm »
Such things happen. I asume toady has somewhere a target calculation that calculates the hitchance by the size. As soon in this calculation the size gets negative, which is very likely at signed data types (thanks to overflow) you get a unhitable enemy.

constructions like this:

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if( hitdice < chance_to_hit){ [...] }

are very often cause of such problems.
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« Reply #4129 on: August 26, 2009, 01:35:18 am »
Not sure if this is the right place to post, but I dont really want to clutter general discussion with a topic, so...

Quote from: Toady One's Devlog
...to dragons having their sizes rollover to negatives and being treated as formless ghosts as a result.


Does this mean you can set the size of a creature to a negative number in the raws and have it be invincible to damage? Or something completely different?

edit: blah, just noticed this was answered a few posts up. Sorry bout that.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 01:39:49 am by Manifold1 »
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4130 on: August 26, 2009, 03:03:33 am »
Toady leaked the combat formulæ for 40d, so actually all that would appear in them would be extra bonuses/penalties because the size differences ARE expected to be signed and are what matter.

But then, those're the old formulæ.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4131 on: August 26, 2009, 09:37:08 am »
The nautical battles sound really amazing...
Won't it be cool when ships are eventually implemented?
Imagine,
The Black Pearl vs. The Kraken!

Or a pack of zombie whales...
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« Reply #4132 on: August 26, 2009, 09:41:44 am »
Yea I bet it would.

Also, I keep thinking the arena is in 3D (I have a big imagination, heh), yet I know it's actually 2D.

Edit: Actually, with the new way the raws work, it may actually be possible to make a boat-like creature. Although it would have to be a submarine as there is no way to make creatures stay on the 'surface' z-level of the water.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 09:44:04 am by smjjames »
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4133 on: August 26, 2009, 09:49:57 am »
fighting inside a zombie whale. Whilst climbing up his stomach walls to avoid the stomach acid. This would be epic.
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4134 on: August 26, 2009, 09:50:25 am »
An idea:  To make the game a bit more interactive, say during late game, seed a few locked rooms or ancient burial chambers deep within the earth, with awesome treasures within.  Gen random passwords for these rooms, and allow the dwarfs to discover them during strange moods or what not (say during engraving or something?)
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4135 on: August 26, 2009, 10:17:21 am »
you mean the passwords shall be names from the dwarven history? like:
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the god of stone stockpiles, long randomly generated names, and gods:
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Clutter god the god of godly gods.

Om Nom nom nom nom

Om Nom nom nom nom as a password would be awesome :D
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« Reply #4136 on: August 26, 2009, 10:18:43 am »
Yes exactly :)  That way it would be random for everyones game and the passes wouldn't be posted all over the forum
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« Reply #4137 on: August 26, 2009, 10:27:17 am »
oh, and those chambers should also be surrounded by impenetrable walls, so you don't just mine in... maybe it should also vary what they contain... eh tessy, might you open a thread on that in the suggestions forum? or maybe in the underground diversity thread... it was your idea, so you make the thread ;)
« Last Edit: August 26, 2009, 11:13:04 am by EvilTwin »
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4138 on: August 26, 2009, 01:02:49 pm »
Figuring out the password to a hidden room, instead of just mining in through brute force and stubborn resolve seems so... undwarvern.  When a dwarf sees a thick, dangerous-looking door with some arcane mechanism, their first thought should be "let's smash it down and see what's on the other side," not "I wonder what the password is."  It should be possible to mine into a hidden chamber, and the password should merely be to deactivate any traps or eliminate any creatures that would otherwise defend it.  If you don't mind dealing with the HFS on the other side, go ahead and mine away.  Just set up a ballista first...
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Re: Future of the Fortress: List of Remaining Items
« Reply #4139 on: August 26, 2009, 02:47:04 pm »
you mean on the other side could be something like this:?
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heeya!
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