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[Org]

I have a question

Will siegers be able to siege with other non-mount creatures, or other sentient creatures?
Like kobolds and goblins?

[diefortheswarm]

Question about the next release,

In the next release, will siegers be able to bring diggers and build constructions such as bridges at your site?  If the answer is no, how far off is this feature?

[Footkerchief]

Question about the next release,

In the next release, will siegers be able to bring diggers and build constructions such as bridges at your site?  If the answer is no, how far off is this feature?

Not in the next version.  But it's up on relatively near-term development, as "Improving dwarf mode sieges."  Within a year if we're lucky.

[thvaz]

# Remove demons as forced powers for goblins and have such arrangements arise through mega-beast behavior

Toady, how do you think this will turn out? Any megabeast could be the leader of the goblins' civilizations? Or only demons, but they will need to enslave/kill/destroy first to win such position?

It would be cool if such things could occur to other races too. For instance, we could have a demon-led evil human civilization.

This would not apply in the case of elves though, as they scare even demons.

[Rockphed]

I suspect that the Megabeast Civ-leaders will be limited to creatures who have domains in common with the Civ they are trying to gain leadership of.

[Mr.Person]

NaCL + CO2 + NH3 + H2O -> NaHCO3 & Nh4CL

the Ammonia in Ammoniaclorid and Natron - the later gets filtered out aigain. "The Ammoniaclorid" now gets by same glands reacted with
"Sodium perchlorate" (=NaClO4 is NACL which in the liver got biolectrical oxidated ) to Ammonia perchlorate.

What? That makes no sense. You're trying to say that you're going to filter NH4Cl? How? It's aqueous and soluble. Also, the CO2 and H2O do NOT react that way under the conditions you described. If I'm not mistaken, H2CO3 breaks apart spontaneously. Even if it did stick together, the Na would NEVER bond that way. Actually, in many of the cases you describe, no reaction occurs. They would just continue to be ions.

Also, "Ammoniachlorid? Do you mean Ammonium Chloride? Ammonia is the gas NH3, Ammonium is the NH4+ ion. Also, "biolectrical oxidated"? In the liver? With sodium chloride? To get electricity off of the stuff, you would have to separate the sodium and chloride, hook a wire between them, then run a salt bridge back over. Good luck with that. Even then, what's the point? Why do you need electricity? Unless you're talking about spending electricity to break them apart? Why would you do that? Let's release chlorine gas into the system, what could go wrong?

This is all assuming the dragon actually consumes enough sulfur in the first place. Unless the water is polluted or he's eating sulfur rocks, sulfur isn't terribly common in creatures. Even then, most of it is locked up in sulfides and sulfates, which are hard to free from the oxygens stuck on.

Good idea, it just doesn't work.

[Zironic]

Well, maybe if the dragon can compress a gas and use the effects of extreme compression to mimic fire. However, that dragon would have to have one hella of a stomach to do that. (alternative is to handwave: say the dragon can secrete a flammable substance made of manmadium that catches fire in the air....)

[Osmosis Jones]

Bombardier Beetle

Not quite fire, but not far from it...

[Akroma]

Good idea, it just doesn't work.

you'd be suprised what kind of reaction can occur under the influence of enzymes

sure, if you just chuck the stuff together and heat it, it won't happen, but if we consider the influence of the right enzymes it is not impossible

[Qmarx]

Good idea, it just doesn't work.

you'd be suprised what kind of reaction can occur under the influence of enzymes

sure, if you just chuck the stuff together and heat it, it won't happen, but if we consider the influence of the right enzymes it is not impossible

Enzymes catalyze both the forward and reverse reactions.

Sorry, no dice.

[SirHoneyBadger]

It doesn't really have to be fire (as such), either. Possible "magic dragon fire" aside, dragons could be spraying a deadly chemical mist that could combine the worst effects of both a poison and an acid, so that getting hit with the mist would feel like you're on fire, and "burn" (melt) through organics.

That way, no additional oxygen would be consumed, and the dragon breath could actually be more deadly than a simple conflageration.

The chemical stew might also react with certain organic substances to create small, *limited* fires, without being a huge explosion of flames.

[InsanityPrelude]

In this setting, it can be magic.

Anyway, this release is looking to be epic when it's finally ready. 

[Mel_Vixen]

NaCL + CO2 + NH3 + H2O -> NaHCO3 & Nh4CL

the Ammonia in Ammoniaclorid and Natron - the later gets filtered out aigain. "The Ammoniaclorid" now gets by same glands reacted with
"Sodium perchlorate" (=NaClO4 is NACL which in the liver got biolectrical oxidated ) to Ammonia perchlorate.

What? That makes no sense. You're trying to say that you're going to filter NH4Cl? How? It's aqueous and soluble. Also, the CO2 and H2O do NOT react that way under the conditions you described. If I'm not mistaken, H2CO3 breaks apart spontaneously. Even if it did stick together, the Na would NEVER bond that way. Actually, in many of the cases you describe, no reaction occurs. They would just continue to be ions.

Also, "Ammoniachlorid? Do you mean Ammonium Chloride? Ammonia is the gas NH3, Ammonium is the NH4+ ion. Also, "biolectrical oxidated"? In the liver? With sodium chloride? To get electricity off of the stuff, you would have to separate the sodium and chloride, hook a wire between them, then run a salt bridge back over. Good luck with that. Even then, what's the point? Why do you need electricity? Unless you're talking about spending electricity to break them apart? Why would you do that? Let's release chlorine gas into the system, what could go wrong?

This is all assuming the dragon actually consumes enough sulfur in the first place. Unless the water is polluted or he's eating sulfur rocks, sulfur isn't terribly common in creatures. Even then, most of it is locked up in sulfides and sulfates, which are hard to free from the oxygens stuck on.

Good idea, it just doesn't work.

Ok not "Ammoniachlorid" i meant Ammoniumchlorid . the wrong nameing was a mistake thanks to my poor english ok?

The filtering of the Chemicals is a (pressure driven-) osmosis with a membrane - pretty common in nature for filtering various kinds of chemicals. You may want to read on up on it.

The used reaction is the same as in the Solvay-process

The "bioelectric oxidation" is similiar to Production of perchlorates in reallife via a Perchloratecell. Also to quote wikipedia: "Sodium perchlorate is manufactured by anodic oxidation of sodium chloride or sodium chlorate at high current density, with platinum (or in some cases, lead dioxide, manganese dioxide, and possibly magnetite and cobalt oxide) anodes and graphite, steel, nickel, or titanium cathodes." Cells can have very high internal pressures and compareable to size high current densitys and the suggested metals can be obtained in useable quantitys in a body especally lead and and iron/nickle. (edit: The by akroma mentioned enzymes would be helpfull too.)

Also Ammonia is solvable in water by 541 gramms per Liter.

Where you bring sulfur in i dont understand.

I think i did my homework here. Any other questions?

[Footkerchief]

The dragonfire question seems to interest a lot of people.  May I suggest discussing it in a separate thread so that you won't have to deal with those annoying people talking about current development?

[Mel_Vixen]

Your right Footkerchief. Excuse that i did derail this threat again.