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[Mel_Vixen]

All the talk about were-creatures make me think of a were-template. Changes from one Humanoid form to another should fairly easy.

A butterfly by the way dont transfers damage actually. The Caterpillar gets inside the cocoon de-solved by its digestive fluids to nourish the growth of a minor pack of stemmcells from which the Butterfly grows. So Actually Butterfly and Caterpilar are two different individuals.

For other Mutations and wounds you could just lower fat and the over all healthiness of a creature if the differences are to big.

[Mephansteras]

Right. I forgot about that. Pity there's no way to order barrels of water stored yet.

Ah, well. Just one more thing to look forward to in releases yet to come.

[Aqizzar]

That does raise a question though.  If the engine can already tell whether there's magma underneath a workshop for forges and smelters, what would it take to make another tag that does the same for water?

[Mel_Vixen]

Dont do the waterwheels and wells that already?

[Aqizzar]

Yes, but they're not workshops, and whatever part of the code makes them recognize water isn't used by the custom workshop maker.  If anything, that makes the question more pertinent, because there's already code that looks for water.  It's just a matter of the workshop system using it too.

[Mel_Vixen]

Actuallyeven for flowing water too so we could construct a watermill / waterpowered-forge/hamerworks workshop which would even be in timeframe.

As for examples: 1352 the Hammer in Pleil and 1380 the Hammer Erla both in the German "Erzgebirge".

[Footkerchief]

That does raise a question though.  If the engine can already tell whether there's magma underneath a workshop for forges and smelters, what would it take to make another tag that does the same for water?

[...] there's already code that looks for water.  It's just a matter of the workshop system using it too.

From what Toady said, it wouldn't be too hard:

What if there was a workshop you could build next to a water source, (a pump may be required for its construction)
which could use one barrel, reduce the adjacent water tile value by 2 and leave you with a water-filled barrel?
Then you could store your water in stock piles, or carry it between forts, or If you live in the desert, buy it from elves.
Also, you could "build" one of these barrels somewhere, then have your dwarf "activate it" similar to a lever. It would then be replaced by the amount of water supposedly in it.

The well already moves water from the map flows to a bucket in that way, so adding something like this isn't outside the realm of possibility, but I don't have specific plans extra water stuff yet.  I know there are lots of threads on all kinds of methods for for desert/glacial maps.

2 : Can buildings require water in the same manner as some require magma?

Require it not like power but just need it around?  There's nothing like that, though I might get around to having some of the weird restrictions current buildings have (like wells).

[smjjames]

On the subject of this weremoss/werelichen/werealgae thing, it reminds me of the Thing or perhaps something similar. It was a movie that I saw on SciFi channel which had this guy turned into a giant plant thing. I don't remember the movie, but thats what it made me think of.

[Shima]

On the subject of this weremoss/werelichen/werealgae thing, it reminds me of the Thing or perhaps something similar. It was a movie that I saw on SciFi channel which had this guy turned into a giant plant thing. I don't remember the movie, but thats what it made me think of.

Probably Swamp Thing.  He's strong against bullets, but weak against machetes.  On the topic of lycanthropes, I add my support for a template that allows it to work as a virus or some such, and causes switches between base species and werespecies.  Imagine the possibility of randomly-generated lycanthropic diseases in different regions and world gens, not to mention the havoc when or if a member of your fortress contracts it.

[AxisofLint]

Actuallyeven for flowing water too so we could construct a watermill / waterpowered-forge/hamerworks workshop which would even be in timeframe.

As for examples: 1352 the Hammer in Pleil and 1380 the Hammer Erla both in the German "Erzgebirge".

I'm not sure what the advantage would be in terms of a forge however. Since (in my opinion, others may disagree), magma replaces the need for a fuel source, but water would not. Water wouldn't be able to provide the heat required, you would still need some kind of fuel source in order to melt some kind of metal to make some kind of metal object.

For other types of workshop it might prove beneficial however.

[Footkerchief]

Actuallyeven for flowing water too so we could construct a watermill / waterpowered-forge/hamerworks workshop which would even be in timeframe.

As for examples: 1352 the Hammer in Pleil and 1380 the Hammer Erla both in the German "Erzgebirge".

I'm not sure what the advantage would be in terms of a forge however.

Water-powered trip hammer.  Important technology for all kinds of industries, but it could use other power sources too.

[Mel_Vixen]

It would reduce the time which is needed to create a object and wuldnt be so tiresome for the dwarf.

[Shoku]

Weremoss would probably be quite dangerous.  Sure if they punch you or something it probably wouldn't hurt much, too much cushioning.  But if one grabs you, I imagine you could get all the nutrients sucked out of your body pretty fast.  I mean, isn't that what fungi do?

Yes but the lichen type are slow growers as they're reliant on the algae part.

I think I would be ok with the more powerful ones going metroid and draining prey to dust but that would be like the Dracula of vampires- there's just the one, or maybe a few, in that range. The rest are all well enough able to devastate regular humans but just a few hicks with some decent gear and teamwork can clear out a whole group of them.

Though I kind of dislike the way vampire hierarchy has spread to other ex-human monsters. Lycans are specifically supposed to not have control or even consciousness besides the level of later memories you see in people claiming to have been abducted by aliens.

All the talk about were-creatures make me think of a were-template. Changes from one Humanoid form to another should fairly easy.

A butterfly by the way dont transfers damage actually. The Caterpillar gets inside the cocoon de-solved by its digestive fluids to nourish the growth of a minor pack of stemmcells from which the Butterfly grows. So Actually Butterfly and Caterpilar are two different individuals.

For other Mutations and wounds you could just lower fat and the over all healthiness of a creature if the differences are to big.

Where do you draw the line for that? While we're developing in the womb we grow this fan shaped thing then we kill four wedges along it, and then what's left grows into our hands. Are we all on our second sets of appendages?

*Similar story for the whole wiring up the brain in a way that will be functional thing.

[Misterstone]

I think this may have been answered before, but I don't remember:

Are there any crafts that can only be created using horns or teeth in this version (I'm talking about vanilla here, I am sure it could be modded as a custom reaction)?  Specifically, I am thinking of drinking horns.

[Innominate]

Nitpicking ahoy! (spoilered for off-topicness)

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A stone golem heated to stone-melting temperatures will have more mass than a stone-cold stone golem. Because energy has mass, and molten rock has more stored energy than just a rock.

I thought you might have been talking about stored or potential energy, but wasn't sure exactly.

Let's assume your stone golem is a sphere of hard granite with a diameter of 10 metres (ridiculously big). That's 524 cubic metres of stone, with a mass of 1220 tons. The energy needed to completely melt those 1220 tons of granite is approximately 3.22e12 joules (3.22 TJ), equivalent to 3.58e-5 g (0.358 µg).

Infinitesimal or not, if it's greater and not equal, it's more mass.

Bullcarp. Can you provide a mass figure for rock golems accurate to fractions of micrograms? Thought not. The above difference means nothing. The difference between individua golems is likely to be orders of magnitude greater.

Further nitpicking.

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By my research, granite melts (technically it's a mixture, and partially melts, but this is the temperature of granite magmas) at 1533 degrees Kelvin. It has a density of 2.75 grams per cubic centimetre, and a specific heat capacity of 7.90e2 joules per kilogram Kelvin. So a 10 metre diameter golem has the volume you said, of 5.24e8 cubic centimetres and hence a mass of 1.44e6 kilograms. I couldn't find information about the enthalpy of fusion (extra energy required to melt a substance of the right temperature) of granite, so I assumed it was the same as water, 3.34e5 Joules per kilogram (it isn't - water has a ridiculously high enthalpy of fusion because of the hydrogen bonds between molecules, and granite only partially melts). This gives us 1.75e12 Joules for the heating to melting point and an exaggerated 4.81e11 Joules for the melting itself, for a total of 2.22e12 Joules. Mass-energy equivalence still only gives us 2.47e-5 kilograms (kilograms are the SI unit, not grams), or 1.72e-9 percent of the total mass.

Short version: for the temperature of the golem to be at all relevant to mass calculations, you would have to have an extremely precise mass measurement device, far more accurate than anything that will exist in the next few centuries.

And, since heating a substance (generally) causes it to expand, and we know the pressure on the surface of the golem must be normal air pressure, a magma golem will way significantly less than a golem of the same, non-molten stone. Either that or it will be much, much larger.