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Author Topic: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Over, Everybody wins!  (Read 45382 times)

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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #255 on: February 02, 2009, 04:01:12 pm »

South, south, south, south, face east.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #256 on: February 02, 2009, 07:26:05 pm »

North, east, east, east, face north.

Also, I shake Wimdit's hand. He is a true Northerner.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #257 on: February 02, 2009, 08:42:53 pm »

I'll send Wimdit's hand to you Inaluct, in a gift-wrapped box.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #258 on: February 02, 2009, 09:02:44 pm »

North, east, east, east, face north.

Also, I shake Wimdit's hand. He is a true Northerner.
Not me though. I didn't also accomplish the same thing.

I think it's time to start messing up you southerners.

And yes, Strife, I saw the same thing with the Swordsdwarf. That's why I chose him. But, think of the defensive value of a Swordsdwarf. 1-5, with a -1 from the front, -2 from the side, -3 to the back.

So, 0-4, -1-3, -2-2. Versus a spear, 1-10 on attack is 1-10 vs. 0-4, which is already a 50% chance of winning without rolling for defender. Sure, it's a bit unfair about the extra movement, but you stay in teams for a reason, and that's to protect each other.

Also... Come out, come out, Pandar... Or will you stay in there all day? Duke, pepper 'im with Bolts of Lightning! I'll cover you.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #259 on: February 02, 2009, 09:05:02 pm »

Strife, your fluff will make an excellent headband.

Actually, I was just saying that to be nice. It'll be a pretty crappy headband if you ask me
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #260 on: February 02, 2009, 09:11:22 pm »

The problem is, a player with superior movement, shouldn't have to defend, they can ensure that they are able to attack all of the time. In a worst case, a hostile might be able to move twice, right?

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First turn, the zefie moves to the first =, then on the second turn, he can only make it to the second. Provided that the sword user (@) keeps nine tiles spacing, he can have definite attacking advantage.
At the same time, it allows the sword user to close and attack whenever he wants, first turn he moves four over (staying out of hostile reach), then, provided that he gets the next turn in quick, he can close and strike, with no risk of being on the defensive. Ever!
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #261 on: February 02, 2009, 09:21:49 pm »


 South all the way.

 Alas, this is Manezza and not any character of mine that shoots lightning. This is an Indiana Jones-like character. If he could get a whip he would. Alas, taking a page from La-Mulana, a mace on the end of a whip is considered a whip.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #262 on: February 02, 2009, 09:51:36 pm »

Can someone get webadict to stop camping me? <_<

Hey, wait a minute...

N N E E, FACE NORTH! No defensive penalty for me now!
Also, can we change weapons between lives?
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #263 on: February 02, 2009, 10:03:18 pm »

NNNN, face east.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #264 on: February 02, 2009, 10:11:43 pm »


Also, can we change weapons between lives?

I'd hope not, lest we all grab swords (which might be the smart thing).
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #265 on: February 02, 2009, 10:14:00 pm »


Also, can we change weapons between lives?

I'd hope not, lest we all grab swords (which might be the smart thing).
I hope we can. As it is now, we all probably perceive our own weapons as weak. It would be good if we could switch, so we could get better ideas of weapon balance as individuals. Besides, no one has an axe, so that weapon would be left almost totally out of a post-game discussion.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #266 on: February 02, 2009, 10:16:35 pm »

That's another thing that I noticed, why would anyone use an axe? Compared to a mace, you get 2-8 vs 1-8 on the attack, but there isn't that much of a difference.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #267 on: February 02, 2009, 10:18:37 pm »

There is. I'll make a chart in a minute.

   1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
  2X   A A A A A A
  3X X   A A A A A
  4X X X   A A A A
  5X X X X   A A A
  6X X X X X   A A
  7X X X X X X   A
  8X X X X X X X 

Red is the mace, A's are victory for the mace, X's for the axe, and nothing in written for ties.

Chance of the axe getting higher is 28 out of 56. Mace is 21 out of 56. Tie is 7.

The possible rolls for an axe attacking are 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. The average roll is 5.

The possible rolls for a mace are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. The average roll is 4.5.

If an axe is being attacked head on, it's average is 3. A mace's is 3.5.


The difference may be small, but it is still important, especially in an offensive tactical plan. That said, I would happily switch to an axe, if only to prove that using one was viable.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #268 on: February 02, 2009, 10:28:36 pm »

That's taking a purely one-dimensional aspect of this. Sure, in a one-on-one battle, a swordsdwarf has an advantage against most others. Here's some stats:



The top row is the attacking weapon, and the right column is the defending weapon. The chances are the probability that the fight will be a failure for the attacker. Yeah, I spent time doing that.

The first value is head-on attack, then side-on, and then back attack.

Anyhow, look at it and see if there are balancing issues.

There is. I'll make a chart in a minute.
Beat you to the punch.
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Re: Treasure sounds a lot like Treachery - Turn Eight
« Reply #269 on: February 02, 2009, 10:31:18 pm »

There is. I'll make a chart in a minute.
Beat you to the punch.

Curses.

Still, I'd switch to an axe to prove a point.
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