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[ryacko]

If Congress overwhelming votes for a law (over 2/3), should a veto be useless?

[Servant Corps]

It is useless. But that doesn't stop Presidents from doing it anyway, see Andrew Johnson.

[mainiac]

It is useless. But that doesn't stop Presidents from doing it anyway, see Andrew Johnson.

Way to miss the point.

Ryacko is right.

[Yanlin]

I don't like Vetos. Why should the president have more voting power than the congress?

[mainiac]

I don't like Vetos. Why should the president have more voting power than the congress?

Because that's the way it is in the US Constitution.  The President can Veto any bill the congress passes.  However, the congress can over-ride a presidential veto with a 2/3rds vote.  That's ignoring the whole, pocket veto thing which I don't want to go into.

[Yanlin]

At least the president can only veto something and not pass it.

[Servant Corps]

Way to miss the point.

I was led to believe that once the President vetos in LCS, then the the veto get automatically overriden. If this is not the case, then I would call it to be fixed, but if it is the case, then I don't see why we need to stop the President from vetoing. It isn't really harming anybody.

[Yanlin]

Way to miss the point.

I was led to believe that once the President vetos in LCS, then the the veto get automatically overriden. If this is not the case, then I would call it to be fixed, but if it is the case, then I don't see why we need to stop the President from vetoing. It isn't really harming anybody.

I don't get it. Vetos do nothing in game?

[Rezan]

I always thought the President didn't veto ingame if you had enough votes? That it only showed when he had the power to veto, and wanted to?

[Servant Corps]

The reason is that I never really got a situation where Congress was overwhealimgly FOR a propostion and the President was AGAINST. Usually, both Congress and President shift to the same political direction in tandem, altough the President is a bit more reactive to Public Opinon than the Senate (not as reactive as the House though). Since Congress and the President usually agree on political issues, nobody really desires to veto anything.

...Don't forget the possiblity that if an issue is so popular among the people that 2/3rd of Congress votes for it, it may very well be that the President may side with such an issue too, and wouldn't even think of vetoing it becuase he loves it so much (even if his political ideology would nominally conflict, an example: Conservative President signs a bill regulating Animal Research, sending it from C to M. However, I believe that only 51 out of 100 Senators voted for the bill, so if 2 senators voted differently, the President wouldn't have been able to engage in this ideological deviation).