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[aaaabaaccaadfda]

This thread is to be Used for as the title states the disscussion of ideas relevant to a 'cpu' or a proccessor used to do calculations, and automatic  data working, using either the idea's of liquid, or mechanical logic.

_-Summary of ideas, in this post-_



All ideas, will be sorted, by importance, in relevant catergorys
Major ideas will be sorted in a summeray of all points in the Dwarfputers section under the Summary subsection.

[Karlito]

Woah, woah woah!!  Did you really need to make 5 separate threads?!?

[aaaabaaccaadfda]

6 and yes this is a major topic please leave discussion like this for the home page

[beorn080]

This is not a major topic. A major topic would be the creation of a time travel device that would allow someone to go to Toady One in the future, acquire a copy of the source for DF 1.0, deliver it to Toady One in the present, and then travel back to the future for DF 2.0.

That would be worthy of a a half dozen threads. As it stands, dwarven computers are megaprojects worthy of at most one thread, which was already established when you decided to make 6 threads. It would be helpful if you deleted all your superfluous threads and didn't make Toady One do it.

[aaaabaaccaadfda]

Beorn if you care to look at my argument on the home that would be handy as i do not want to recite everything there

[Hishan]

Back to the actual thread here. How do you actually plan to biuld a cpu unit?

[soundandfury]

Back to the actual thread here. How do you actually plan to biuld a cpu unit?

As a currently active dwarfputing engineer, I have to say I think aaabacus has been a tad too optimistic with this one.  Given that the optimal size for a clocked SR flipflop is 3*11*3 (see Part Five), and it completely murders fps, I don't think we'll ever reach the stage of something which actually behaves as a CPU.  The nearest we'll get is a Turing Machine (I think I have a scheme for doing this but I'll build up more dwarfputing experience before I try).

In summary, not even a Legendary Dwarfputer Engineer could build a CPU with the tools we have at the moment.

[aaaabaaccaadfda]

not true, i'll post my memory memory plans and explain how i link up to a cpu unit there

[magic dwarf]

I was thinking using only basic logic gates (to compliment my basic knowledgebase).
ok so these are my plans for the gates:
X=wall
F=floor
L=FLOODGATES
P=PRESUREPADS
A=WATER BUILD UP
N=INPUT
O=OUTPUT

AND

XI XIX
XPXPX
XFXFX(HOOKED UP TO LEFT GATE)
XFXFX(HOOKED UP TO RIGHT GATE)
XXNXX

OR

XI XIX
XPXPX
XFXFX(EACH IS HOOKED UP TO GATE BELOW)
XXNXX

NOT
?
?
ANY IDEAS

sorry for the Caps lock its the easiest way to get equally spaced letters

[I3erent]

http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=5669.0

This has been talked about....

http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Computing

wiki stuff....  hope it helps!

[magic dwarf]

wow, that kills my ideas. No fun in doing it if its already been done.  has a  visual output device been created yet? I'm thinking a 8 by 8 black and white monitor to display numbers and such.

[aaaabaaccaadfda]

majic look to the earlier thread there are to ideas for monitors there + also a counter device

[Jay]

sorry for the Caps lock its the easiest way to get equally spaced letters

No, it's actually not.

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[WaS]

Well, a decent ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) would require LOTS of logic gates, flip-flops, etc. And it would require godly computer to run at reasonable FPS.
So a proposal: maybe we ask Toady for a new game object: logic gate?
Simple case: linking lever to lever:
Levers can be linked to, along with floodgates, doors, and so on.
A lever in "off" state performs per-input AND(output is "ON" if all inputs are "ON", "OFF" otherwise), and a lever in "on" state perfroms per-input NAND(output is "OFF" if all inputs are "ON", "ON" otherwise).
Here, output of a lever without inputs is it's state. In "off" state, the lever works as a usefull AND gate. In "on" state, lever is a NAND gate, and any binary function can be constructed from NAND gates.
These "enhancements" are relatively easy to implement, they work quite fast, and any logic can be constructed out of them. So, why not?

[aaaabaaccaadfda]

WaS the problem about a lever currently is that its manualy driven. I understand your point about the imense scale of a cpu unit, but also we must remind ourselfs of the turing machine, Where the machine head cann move from cell to cell read that data, change the data and also delete the data.
The current propblem as i see it is that nobody before has thought to make a memory cell consisting of both fluid and mechanical logic combined if you pop over to the other devices section you'll see my proposed memory unit consisting using both of the forementioned logics.

With this cna can create a 'switch' if you will between the two logics incorperating both logics strengths. Thus a cpu under my design would consist of both fluid and mechanical logic.