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[Qmarx]

You cannot pull off eating only meat while being healthy nowadays, too much pesticides end up in meat for it to be completely healthy.

[Citation Needed]

[Techhead]

There is a difference between sea kittens and real kittens. Crazy old Russian women don't keep 130 fish alive in a two-room apartment.

[Duke 2.0]

There is a difference between sea kittens and real kittens. Crazy old Russian women don't keep 130 fish alive in a two-room apartment.

Zoos don't stock large transparent tanks filled to the brim with cats.

 Although that would be an interesting exhibit.

[Chandrasekhar]

Actually, the current bovine industry uses enough vegtables as fodder to feed the world over. Plus when Ethiopia had its famine, farmers were still providing vegatables for the European meat industry.

The factor that causes most famine nowadays isn't the amount of food.  It's the distribution of food.  When the infrastructure is being blown up by insurgents, or all the aid sent is being funneled to two-bit dictators, it doesn't matter whether you have enough corn to feed ten thousand people, or enough beef to feed two thousand; you won't be feeding anyone 'till the situation is stabilized.  World hunger has little to do with optimizing the use of our farmland, and everything to do with politics.

[Krash]

The factor that causes most famine nowadays isn't the amount of food.  It's the distribution of food.  When the infrastructure is being blown up by insurgents, or all the aid sent is being funneled to two-bit dictators, it doesn't matter whether you have enough corn to feed ten thousand people, or enough beef to feed two thousand; you won't be feeding anyone 'till the situation is stabilized.  World hunger has little to do with optimizing the use of our farmland, and everything to do with politics.

True

[LegoLord]

Free ranged chickens try to kill each other.

Where'd you get that? Over here plenty of people keep chickens and I've never seen any of them attempt to kill another chicken.

They might only be keeping hens.  Roosters will try to kill each other, especially when there are hens around.  Hence why beak trimming isn't all that bad and free range is bad.  There was that whole deal with PETA harassing those monks that were using those practices, even though there were much larger businesses doing the same thing.

[LegacyCWAL]

I bet they must just love the University of South Carolina

[Dragooble]

you people cannot imagine how tempted i am to point out the bay 12 forums to PETA. just to see what kind of demons would be unleashed.

[Duke 2.0]

you people cannot imagine how tempted i am to point out the bay 12 forums to PETA. just to see what kind of demons would be unleashed.

 I doubt there is adamantine around the PETA headquarters.

[Dragooble]

you people cannot imagine how tempted i am to point out the bay 12 forums to PETA. just to see what kind of demons would be unleashed.

 I doubt there is adamantine around the PETA headquarters.

there are sea kittens though.

[Dwarf]

I say we order about 500'000 of their 'Free Vegetarian Starter Kits' and distribute them in Africa.
But wait... maybe starving is even better than that.

[SirHoneyBadger]

So, if you take the time and loving care to twist the message to the outer limit of it's perversity, while maintaining it pure, intact, and in it's essential form, what PETA is really saying is that they want us to eat more pussy.

[DJ]

Free ranged chickens try to kill each other.

Where'd you get that? Over here plenty of people keep chickens and I've never seen any of them attempt to kill another chicken.

They might only be keeping hens.  Roosters will try to kill each other, especially when there are hens around.  Hence why beak trimming isn't all that bad and free range is bad.  There was that whole deal with PETA harassing those monks that were using those practices, even though there were much larger businesses doing the same thing.

No, pretty much everyone who has hens has one rooster. Two roosters in the same coop are a disaster, so nobody does that. But roosters from different coops rarely fight, and it's always non-lethal (because there is an escape route, unlike in organized cock fights), as different flocks tend to keep to themselves.

[chaoticag]

You cannot pull off eating only meat while being healthy nowadays, too much pesticides end up in meat for it to be completely healthy.

[Citation Needed]

This is probably the closest free source on the internet that I can get to. It is a bit of an extrapolation from this, as birds of prey tend to eat meat.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE5D91738F931A15750C0A961948260

The decline in New York's eagle population reflected the trend throughout North America, according to Gerald A. Smith, an ornithologist with the National Audubon Society. Heavy hunting first reduced the numbers, then contamination of the food chain further decreased the population after World War II. The Impact of DDT

''This whole process of heavy pesticide use caused massive declines in many of the birds of prey, and bald eagles were severely affected,'' Mr. Smith said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Effects_on_human_health

http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/pest/effects.html
I tried to find more information on the accumulation of toxins the higher you go up the food chain, but for now you'll have to deal with this wordy wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomagnification

[BurnedToast]

Yes, DDT is not terribly good for people and yes biomagnification is a real phenomenon. However, as per the article it's not as big of a problem as we once thought it would be, especially in land animals and we've already banned the use of DDT in agriculture.

You are going to have to do better then that to convince me that

You cannot pull off eating only meat while being healthy nowadays, too much pesticides end up in meat for it to be completely healthy.

Also Chandrasekhar answered your earlier comment about people starving vs feeding cows pretty well. Blaming people who eat meat for using up vegetables that would otherwise have fed starving children is a little naive.