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[Jay Kayell]

Yaven'Gan considers what they said for a moment. Then he says:

"I agree, freedom is important, for all sentient beings. This is a truly great question, and we should not rush into making a decision. I shall ponder it for a while. If I find a good way to ensure the freedom of life while still granting us more power I shall share it with you."

He then leaves, heading for Nessus, sure that the others fell for his lie. When he gets there he is pleasantly surprised, the Keepers have increased their numbers tenfold.

He realizes something, while the Keepers are strong and quite intelligent they are still little more than beasts, unable to perform any complex action unless told to, he needs servants that can think, as long as they do not oppose him. That is the true conundrum: how to create sentient life while still preventing it from having the wrong thoughts and disobeying him. If one connects them to oneself, then they would have no choice but to obey. He realizes what must be done.

He takes a small piece of his own flesh, a handful of the liquid rock that lies beneath the plain and then combines them and pours his power into them to create life. Soon his work is done and the first of his creations stand before him.

Ten feet tall, with wings like a dragon, horns on their heads and claws on their hands and feet. In their veins runs fire and their muscles are strong. Their minds are still primitive though, they only know enough to survive. He must teach them of all the things they must know to serve him. At the moment there are only a few hundred of them, but their numbers will soon increase. And the most important thing: they are bound to him, and must serve him. In this they have no choice. He chooses to call them demons.

His wound soon heals, leaving not a single mark behind.

(create populace: 3 PP. No PP left)

He also gives the demons and the Keepers strict orders to not attack each other.

[Nirur Torir]

While all the other gods discussed trivial matters amongst themselves, Narl'agash was not idle. Where he had carved a hole into Mount Eto, he created a magnificent gateway out of flames. It led to a a vast and scorching hot desert, stretching as far as a mortal eye can see. Volcanos peppered the landscape and created oceans of magma. This would be his real home home. Nal wasn't nearly impressive enough.

(Create Plane, 4)
(0 remain)

[Emperor_Jonathan]

Watock was intrigued by the concept of soil but kept quite, he travelled back down to his island, the green and brown trees made from himself were previously scarce, now because of the soil they flourished, soon covering the island. Then he realised something, all the trees were being transformed one by one. He followed the trees to the source of the corruption, and found it was the door leading to his plane. He realised that it wasn't corruption, but transformation, transformation into a better form to suit himself better.

The trees now looked red, as red as his beard. They formed a dense wall, he picked one up with his fingers and studdied it carefully, instead of branches it had wooden items much like his sword, almost as strong as well.

He stopped worrying about the trees, there were no reason to, he stood infront of the door. The door to his realm, but what will I call it he pondered to himself.

"I will call it Nar."

He opened the door and he was glad of what he saw, beyond the door he saw an endless expanse of tundra and seas in winter forever. It was mostly cold with trees in the tundra, sure there magma below, deep underground and a few volcanoes scattered over the place but the cold was what made it good.

He stepped back outside into Primoridia, and marvelled at is door. It was truly a masterpiece, it was large enoug to fit wole worlds through yet small enough to be not seen.

He closed the door and travelled back to where the other gods gathered, satisfied by what he had seen.

[Dragooble]

Nel'ulos was high above primordia above the clouds and atmosphere in space.
with him he brought a large amount of magma from mount eto. above primordia he spun the magma into a perfect sphere, much smaller than primordia but still respectably large. when the magma cooled the sphere was white and had the same silvery glow as him. this was where he would make his home, inside of this great sphere. he called it lu.
4pp spent: create plane.
none left.

[Psyco Jelly]

(Dragooble, that was not the creation of a plane, but a moderate shape land. You still have 2PP.)

[Grek]

"I like the idea of prayer. It would be good to know what my creations desire and to give that to them. I shall go to them and ask them right now."

Ur floated off to see what the parliamentarians were doing.

(I still had 1 PP, it seems. For now, consider it added to a pool to create Prayer.)

[Armok]

((Damn, I HATE how the game goes on without me...))

((I will NOT agree to make the creatures less powerful than my first demi-godlike suggestion, nor to have their power dependant on location, or in  any other way willingly restrict their freedom and power. I am very surprised you'd think I think otherwise and I'll never agree to any compromises unless I explicitly say I do, whether it's about how something to be created will be or how to spend points or anything else.
There is also no REASON they should be less powerful unless you intentionally put something in to cripple them which would be unspeakably cruel. The magic is simply ordinary magic made more powerful by having a shard of the Eye, the bodies are simply very powerful cybernetic (I don't think I made that clear: these are more akin to advanced robots than living beings, but they'd blur the definitions and such definitions do not yet exist anyway) and the minds are software and would not change in any way but speed no mater what Turing complete device you put them in, the brain is simply a quantum computer so that'd work equally well everywhere to. I guess the lesser entanglement could decrease the strength of the flow manipulation but more than a halving would be strange and the matter manipulation powers are more reality-based than magical.))

((The hub wont need connective planes, it already have an infinite amount of perfectly seal able areas, and spaces configured to each of the gods))

((I don't think you got the idea about the socket for the crystal in the creatures brain: it'd only need one shard, it'd use quantum effects to have the same shard be in many places at once thus giving each it's full power. not an infinite amount of shards whit one in each.))

((I got the idea that one of the evil gods could capture one or some of the creatures once created, it'd be a really smart move as whit a simple numerical change of a few parameters you'd be able to turn the perfectly good and free into perfectly evil and obedient. I was going to suggest demons as a name but I see that name got taken, guess devils would still be open.))

((More specs for the creatures:

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DF raw-like format (not guaranteed to be correct, long time since I modded, and I wont keep entity and creature tags apart):

[CREATURE:???]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[DAMBLOCK: abaut 150% that of a tank]
[EQUIPS]
[EXTRAVISION]
[FANCIFUL]
[FIREIMMUNE_SUPER]
[FIXED_TEMP: 90-something Celsius]
[FLIER]
[GOOD]
[INTELLIGENT]
[MAGICAL]
[NO_DRINK]
[NO_EAT]
[NO_GENDER]
[NO_SLEEP]
[NOBREATHE]
[NOBLEED]
[NOEXERT]
[NOFEAR]
[NOMEAT]
[NONAUSEA]
[NOSMELLYROT]
[NOSTUN]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[PARALYZEIMMUNE]
 PERSONALITY:
ACTIVITY_LEVEL: 0  50 100
ADVENTUROUSNESS: 0  50 100
ALTRUISM: 80 95 100
ANGER: 0  20 70
ANXIETY: 0  30 60
ARTISTIC_INTEREST: 0  80 100
ASSERTIVENESS: 20 50 100
CHEERFULNESS: 10 75 100
COOPERATION: 30 60 100
DEPRESSION: 0  20 50
DUTIFULNESS: 0  30 100
EXCITEMENT_SEEKING: 0  50 100
FRIENDLINESS: 0  70 100
IMAGINATION: 0  50 100
IMMODERATION: 0  20 60
INTELLECTUAL_CURIOSITY: 10 90 100
MODESTY: 0  50 100
LIBERALISM: 0  50 100
ORDERLINESS: 0  50 100
SELF_CONSCIOUSNESS: 0  30 70
SELF_DISCIPLINE: 0  70 100
STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS: 0  60 100
GREGARIOUSNESS: 5  70 100
TRUST: 40 70 100
VULNERABILITY: 0  10 20
ACHIEVEMENT_STRIVING: 0  50 100
EMOTIONALITY: 50 70 100
SYMPATHY: 40 90 100
SELF_EFFICACY: 20 60 100
CAUTIOUSNESS: 0  50 100
[POWER]
[SPEED: as a fast car ]
[TRAPAVOID]

[LEADER_TYPE:scientist]
[SITE_LEADER_TYPE:scientist]
 ETHIC:
ASSAULT MISGUIDED
EAT_SAPIENT_KILL PERSONAL_MATTER
EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER PERSONAL_MATTER
KILL_ANIMAL JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
KILL_ENEMY JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
KILL_NEUTRAL JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
KILL_PLANT JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON
KILL_MICROORGANISM JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON
LYING JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
OATH_BREAKING JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON
SLAVERY UNTHINKABLE
THEFT ACCEPTABLE
TORTURE_ANIMALS UNTHINKABLE
TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE UNTHINKABLE
TORTURE_FOR_FUN UNTHINKABLE
TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
TREASON JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON
TRESPASSING ACCEPTABLE
VANDALISM JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON
[AT_PEACE_WITH_WILDLIFE]
[INVADERS_IGNORE_NEUTRALS]
[RESPECT_LIFE]



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DnD like format, I dont know much DnD so this is likely VERY wrong:

Size/Type:     Any Size Outsider Construct (Extraplanar (on Primordia), Good, Chaotic, Shapechanger)
Hit Dice:    10d6+200 (230 hp)
Initiative:    +50
Speed:            Depends on form, usualy faster than any living creture but slower than sound. Fly: Abaut twice the spped of sound.
Armor Class:    50 (+30 Dex, +20 natural), touch 30, flat-footed NOT APPLIABLE ((not used to this, so this could be VERY of, I think i made this higher than intended))
Base Attack/Grapple:    /??? rather high
Attack:    Unarmed Strike (as this is DnD based, like a monk presumably) not sure how DnD hit chances are calculated but shuld basicaly always hit, 2d20 blunt damage plus 3d20 electric.
Full Attack:    most likely using matter manipulation to chese the enimys existance, if no accses to magic then a series of 2d6 mele blows as mentioned abowe, or use of weapon.
Space/Reach:    variable depending on form/variable depending on form.
Special Attacks:    Spell-like abilities, spells, mater/energy/magic/spacetime manipulation (Examples: create a gigajoule laser beam, create antimatter inside foe, greate graviy wave and somhow attack whit it)
Special Qualities:    Change shape, low-light vision, immunity to electricity, loads of minor abilities for the god of magic to give, all the other stuff I've forgoten, and usualy huge amount of varus learned stuff Zyenild is suposed to spesify.
Saves:    Fort +15, Ref +25, Will +18
Abilities:    Str 30, Dex 20 (as it include stuff other than reflexes), Int 32, Wis 28, Cha 20
Skills:    Very many, varies on inddividual
Feats:       same as skills
Environment:    The Hub, and sometimes the plane of education
Organization:    any
Challenge Rating:    huge
Treasure:    
Alignment:    Always non evil, usualy chaotic good
Advancement:    unknown even to the gods
Level Adjustment:    +25

Size varies at any range, but generaly keeps around that of the creatures it's interacting whit.

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General disorganized statements the others don't cover:

The matter/energy manipulation can allow for the creation or destruction of about a ton of matter per second, creation of a technologically complicated device is no harder than a lump or material, but for life it'll take longer whit about 10 kg of matter per second, creating something is done by positioning atoms in space and creating them one by one and as such they need to know the EXACT structure of something in order to properly create it. Energy is limited to a few GW a second but antimatter can be created as easily as matter and that is used if more energy is needed without the need of fine control say as for an explosion.
This ability is intuitive and most serious combat actions involve it somehow.
It is dependant on magic to function, not for it power but for automated control, without magic only extremely simple stuff like electrifying your skin or creating very simple stuff like water whit if you are skilled is possible.
This ability is necessary for the shape shifting and reproduction and even simple healing.

Magic ability aside from the mater/energy manipulation is the same of a extremply skilled mage in direct possession of a star, plus whatever other ability the god of magic grants.

Physical strength and speed I think I didn't quite get right in any of the above numerical explanations: it is virtually identical to a certain green angry gentleman by Marvel, and relative size. (so a human-sized one would be weaker and slower than that)

The bodies are made according to good procedures and thus most systems will work independently from other systems, this means that they can go on without most parts, and more importantly that they might work without magic and still retain all mental facilities and physical strength and speed and agility and so on.

As I have mentioned and the reason for their extreme reflexes is their ability to see forward in time, about half a second, due to a large amount of wormholes in their brain and plausibly augmented by magic, this allows them to dodge attacks before the attacker have even thought of making them, without this ability they'd be of quite mortal standard (thou still faster than any living creature, due to super conductive nerves and supercomputer brain).

Their skin is a nano material that can arbitrary change colour and texture, it gives about the same amount of protection as tank armour (meaning that most of their attacks'd easily break thought). The tissue inside vary more, sometimes robotic and more often structure similar to that of living cells, but chemically very different and unable to divide the way cells do, usually made much of nano tubes and plastics and water.
They are very resilient to crush and fall damage, if you want to harm them physically slashing is the right choise because piercing might penetrate but they'll go on despite it and there is little in the way of critical organs. The brain is sealed in a sphere of extremely resilient material and will survive anything short of a nuke.

))

[Servant Corps]

((I accept that 1 PP, Grek.

Question: Can this 1 PP transfer over next turn, when I'll be able to throw in 2 PP to assist in the creation of the Concept of Prayer?))

((And Armok, there is a very good reason why we want to cripple them. These creatures are going to basically be Gods for crying out loud! I don't think most of us would tolerate rivals that we can't control. Even I am a little concerned about these perfect people's support of Theft...though I guess it might be rather progressive. Somehow.))

[duro]

(but they'd blur the definitions and such definitions do not yet exist anyway - the one to decide if that is the case was not responsive yet, and I doubt he even wants to decide on the topic. Compromise could be to create the creatures progressively.
The hub wont need connective planes, it already have an infinite amount of perfectly seal able areas - yes, but there was no definition as how the powers of the hub could extend into other planes, that's why I proposed the skies (so that everyone of the three would be able to define the extent for his own realms).
I got the idea that one of the evil gods could capture one or some of the creatures once created, it'd be a really smart move as whit a simple numerical change of a few parameters you'd be able to turn X into Y - the diamonds may be in your very own backyard *points to own domain*)

(Will edit too if needed.)

[Pandarsenic]

Berridan looked upon a Stonecrab, which was struggling to break apart a small Tevorim, to eat it.

"It seems, my child, that you need assistance." Berridan plunged his hand into the depths of the earth and drew out a fragment of metal. In the wake of Berridan's hand, veins of metal throughout the earth remained; veins that carried Berridan's influence throughout the land. (Shape Land: Minor, 1 PP, 4 remain). He placed the small fragment beside the stonecrab. "Use it upon the Tevorim to fragment it," Berridan explained to the crab. (Create Concept: Tools, 3 PP, 1 remaining. Do I get to restrict tools to creatures I teach like Poltifar restricted magic to creatures he teaches? ) (Teach Populace, 1 PP, 0 remaining). All over, Stonecrabs began to wield raw metal chunks against the Tevorim in their hunts.

((Why isn't Berridan in the frontpage pantheon?))

[Dragooble]

(maybe, but i think eventually all races will end up with tools
plus, im having trouble deciding what to do with my remaining pp)

[Emperor_Jonathan]

((No, because a tool is an invention, not a skill like magic. That's how I see it anyway.))

[Armok]

((ok, I shouldn't have to edit that post any more, now go back and look))
((If I cant get people to let me have these otherwise I'd say that maybe the shard will be unable to hyper position to outside the hub and thus they have only as much magic as an ordinary mage abut retain everything else? Id still prefer them to be of equal strength everywhere thou, threat can come from having versions of them corrupted by other gods.))
((also, they poses no threat to the gods unless I have severely underestimated said gods.))

[Emperor_Jonathan]

((I'm cool with all this. But I don't want them used as tools to interfere with mortal doings. Whether it be indirectly, i.e. getting more followers or directly i.e. giving them to one side.))

[duro]

(I don't think the creatures would do this on their own. But even if they were corrupted by some deity it would be still possible for other deities to corrupt their own and strike back - heck, even the creatures would likely oppose corruption and make sure a traitor wouldn't come far... except he became an avatar or some such, but in this case it likely wouldn't matter what species he was before.)

(About their brains - yes, they would be machines, but as they are shaped in the flows of thought too they'd be not only magicians and scientists, but philosophers as well. And thus I'd like them not to act like madmen. The designs so far go well with this.)