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[Marlowe]

On steelmaking: If you aren't on magma, don't even bother. i recall that it takes nearly 100 trees to armor one guy in steel plate.

Not plate-and-chain, just plate.

Unless I severely misunderstand how smelting and forging works (it's possible; I don't keep track of the cost of every action. Got a war to fight) it's only 24 bits of fuel.

Working backwards: You need 6 items of armour: Plate mail, helm, shield, Gauntlets, Boots, Greaves. If I understand things correctly that's 6 forging actions, using 6 units of fuel.

This is assuming the gauntlets and boots are made with one action per pair, and that the mail and greaves take only one action in spite of using multiple bars.

This all needs 9 steel bars (Plate:3, Greaves:2,Boots:1(?),Gauntlets:1(?), Helm:1, Shield:1), which will require another 18 fuel units to smelt. Total 24. Eight trees if you butinimous coal, 12 if you have lignite.

Still a lot of work for one soldier, but not 100 trees. That sounds like a wild exaggeration by a magma junkie. Even if all my assumptions are wrong it's not going to be a third of that.

Adding a chain undershirt will add another 5 fuel to the requirements, and adding a weapon will cost 3 more fuel. So total for one fully-equipped soldier is 32 "trees".

Still too much.

[Zerris]

Well finally had a nicely made fortress.. Plenty of wood.. plenty of stone.. plenty of food.. then got a crapload of migrants and every one went insane from lack of food.. oh and no matter what I did I couldn't get the well to be anything other than dry.. even with a 3 level deep cistern below it. How far above can the well be above the water source?

And how to I keep food production as the highest priority?

[Christes]

How deep was the water in the cistern.  It needs to be at least 4/7 for the well to work.

With sand collapsing on itself and erupting volcanoes...

It sounds like you're using a future version of DF!

[Zerris]

well the cistern was 4 z levels high.. with the water stopped by a pressure plate on the second level from the top to prevent overflow. the top later was all 5s with a couple of 6s.. the two levels beneath it were all 7s. Of course the shaft above the cistern to the well was maybe 4 or 5 z levels long.

[sev]

well the cistern was 4 z levels high.. with the water stopped by a pressure plate on the second level from the top to prevent overflow. the top later was all 5s with a couple of 6s.. the two levels beneath it were all 7s. Of course the shaft above the cistern to the well was maybe 4 or 5 z levels long.

Was the shaft channeled?  Buckets can't travel down stairs; I had this problem when I didn't notice that the bottom couple of levels of my cistern were dug out with stairs instead of channels.

[Zerris]

I looked and the very last channel job was undone.. it was around this time everyone started going nuts and refused to do any work.

[Rysith]

On steelmaking: If you aren't on magma, don't even bother. i recall that it takes nearly 100 trees to armor one guy in steel plate.

Not plate-and-chain, just plate.

That's for an entire dwarven army:
Each suit of plate mail requires four logs to smith: three for the three bars of steel (actually six for three batches of two steel bars each) + one to forge the three into platemail. Thus, if you wanted a 25-dwarf army you'd need 100 trees to get them all platemail.

Getting a dwarf in full plate + helm + shield + gauntlets + greaves + chain, though, would be (4+2+2+2+2+3, I think...) 15 logs per dwarf, not to mention the two for the weapon, which can add up quite fast. (EDIT: Apparently did the math wrong. That's what I get for mass-producing my steel and armor)

On the other hand, both Lignite and Bituminous coal are common on sedimentary maps, and both stone types can be bought extremely cheaply from both the humans and the dwarves (even if you request the maximum amount: their base price is 3 each), so you can get a decent fuel supply without magma. You just need to be a bit more aware of how much you are using, and won't be making all-glass aboveground forts or anything like that.

[Zerris]

*turns off aritfacts in init file*

Well I just had my entire fortress wiped out by one insane woodworker. He had all the stuff he needed for his artifact.. yet he still went nuts. Time to start anew.. again.

[Marlowe]

Don't turn off artifacts.

Make your workshops so they can to doorred (is that a word?) off. When a dwarf goes moody and claims a workshop, install a door. If you goes berserk, forbid it and lock him inside.

[WorkerDrone]

Hehehe. You know, I remember a time where I could never get things right and always ended up getting my fort pawned.

Around now, most of my forts end up being....too safe. Heh. Just wait until you get sieged. Hell, just wait till you get ambushed!